I believe that I can hunt anything now.

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The Terminator

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Well, it looks like my old friend is back. I sold my 45/70 stainless GG to a friend this past January. It had a 2.5X shotgun scope, with crosshairs on it. The long eye relief was handy. Anyhow, I bought it back today, for $450. He is taking up new hobbies.

So, now I have a
.22LR model 60,
.223 AR,
.270 Stainless Handi Rifle, (my actual favorite)
and the 45/70 Guide Gun.

What can't I hunt, that don't fly?
 
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You would be challenged with a long shot at a bull elk. May I recommend the 338 Winchester Magnum. Ruger makes a couple of stainless models ( I noted your affection for stainless). Just re-work the triggers, and bed that puppy in a decent stock and your all set!:)

I know, I know, I'm not being helpful.
 
Sounds as if you have it covered in our neck of the woods and don't plan to go hunting for whatever that thing is. I'm guessing that it only exists in WA.:D

Here's 50 yrs. of Southern wisdom. All that you need is......
30-06 for large hogs and deer at far range.
.243 for the same but smaller. Also really fun to shoot.
.44 Mag. (can also be used w/.44 Special) for up close in heavy brush.
.44 Mag pistol if you're hunting hogs.
 
Good lineup, I just left out the shotguns because it was not in the OP. Dove season just opened here and I just finished a fine repast.

I prefer SbS shotguns and have an ancient Stevens (my first) and a later Fox (bought at a high-dollar garage sale). Personally, I prefer my old rusted up Stevens.

I also have a 1894 Win. in 30-30 but the action is jerky and I really don't care for the rifle.
 
RLFD5415 wrote:
You would be challenged with a long shot at a bull elk. May I recommend the 338 Winchester Magnum.
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Exactly how far would you have to be shooting to be undergunned with a .270? Now, I know that us boys out here in Wyoming who hunt Elk have nothing on the native Elk to New York that you must be shooting at:confused:, but I have yet to meet anyone out here (who hunts Elk) who thinks a .270 is too little gun, at any range. Besides, anyone who has to shoot at an Elk that is 600 yards away or better, needs to find a new approach:D No offense inteneded, of course.
 
Jaxx,
I believe tha Jack O'Connor killed about a million elk with his .270 . Seemed like he was on a mission with that caliber. 'Sides, aren't all of the '06 derivatives really ballistic clones, and including those up through the 7mag?

For many years, here in Georgia, everyone seemed to want the largest caliber, come next deer season. The 30-06 started gathering dust. I've seen lads with 375 H&H's hunting 110 lb whitetails that really look like goats with antlers. Thankfully, that trend finally died down.
 
Jaxx,

The elk do grow rather large here. Last one i shot with a 50 BMG was over 4000 lbs.:rolleyes:

My last post was also TIC, sorry if that wasn't clear. However, you have assumed too much. I too used to live in WY, and CO for that matter, and I return to hunt each year. So, my next elk will not be my first, eh.

While I do not wish to ignite a Keith/O'Connor debate, the .270 does run under 2000 ft lb after 100 yards. Many guides and folks with more experience than I consider this an acceptable minimum energy level for good penetration on elk. e.g Craig Boddington.

As Terminator pointed out, thousands of elk have been shot with the .270, but the intelligent .270 hunter picks his shots, limits his range and has the confidence to place his bullet carefully. I'm sure Terminator possesses all of these, as do two of my partners who take elk every year with their .270's.

As I am only a fair shot at 200 yds, and do not wish to limit myself to a 100 yd shot, I leave the "damn good coyote rifle" in the truck and take my cannon with me on elk hunts. :D

So, my actual intent of the first post was not to initiate this debate, but to give Terminator an excuse to buy yet another rifle. Don't we all need excuses?
 
So, my actual intent of the first post was not to initiate this debate, but to give Terminator an excuse to buy yet another rifle.
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:D:D Yeah, I saw that one coming. i have never hunted elk, though I have eaten it. My neighbor used to go every year, give me a ton of meat when he got back. I've eaten a lot of meat that I have not seen on the hoof. Elk, antelope, moose, mule deer, I'm missing something else, surely.

If I ever did go to hunt elk, I'd HAVE to get a new gun. Maybe a LH 375 H&H, no? I hear that elephants have been seen mingling in the elk herds out there.
 
While I do not wish to ignite a Keith/O'Connor debate, the .270 does run under 2000 ft lb after 100 yards. Many guides and folks with more experience than I consider this an acceptable minimum energy level for good penetration on elk. e.g Craig Boddington.
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Actually a 150 grain Nosler Partition out of a .270 Win with a MV of 2850 fps will have slightly over 2000 ft lbs of energy at 200 yards. A 130 grain bullet with a MV of 3060 will have over 1900 ft lbs of energy at 200 yards. Both of these loads were taken from Federal's ballistic charts from 2007. Both are well over your 2000 ft lb requrement at 100 yards, so it fits into what is needed according to your people with more experience. I don't know how many States have foot pound reqirements on big game cartridges but CO only requires 1000 ft lbs at 100 yards for rifle and 500 ft lbs at 50 yards for pistol.

The .270 Win is no super long range elk killing machine by any means but I'd be pretty comfortable with it out to 350 yards give or take on a bull of a lifetime. A .338 Win Mag is only able to carry 2000 ft lbs out to 300 yards with a 210 grain bullet and 400 yards with a 250 grain bullet. Most people can not shoot the .338 Win Mag effectively to those ranges anyway so all that extra HP is pretty much moot if you can't place the bullet where it needs to be.

The .270 Win is my personal minimum with a bullet of 150 grains; my longest kill to date on elk is 250 yards with it. Double lung any animal and they will not get far, sure they might run (50-100 yards) but a crashing elk is easy to track. The .270 Win with a premium bullet will take out the front shoulders as well within a reasonable distance for those who subscribe to that method of anchoring elk.
 
Look, if you want to hunt elk with a 270, please do so. I am not trying to talk anyone out of it. I gave up arguing with my partners long ago. But I ask two things in return:

1) Don't try to present the argument to me that the 270 is a better elk cartridge than the 338. I'm not interested in that discussion.

2) FCOL, quit distracting me from helping Terminator with his gun list. I only have his best interests at heart here :):):). His original post I took as a thinly disguised plea for encouragement to get yet another rifle. I'm LOL. I would expect that other members would do the same for me. I mean if it weren't for you guys, I wouldn't be on to my third gun safe.
 
I mean if it weren't for you guys, I wouldn't be on to my third gun safe.
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Well, geez, I just packed my safe. I have picked up two new rifles over the last 3 weeks that I have been off work. I go back to work in about an hour. I had to do some serious re-arranging. I had to pull the black powder rifle out, and leave it in the closet, to maker room for the new AR and for the guide gun. Now, I can sneak another rifle or two passed the missus, but a new safe, well, I can't 'splain that one. Have a good day. - Ted
 
Yeah, the safes have caused some serious concessions on my part with Mrs RLFD. I do smuggle them in when she's out, but they are discovered soon after. :o But, it's all good, I wouldn't save enough for the mortgage if she didn't keep me in line.
 
in that line up of rifles you can shoot allmost anything. but over here there are about 5 species you wont be able to stop if they charge.but what the hell thats only 5 in the world.
 
Dan,

You are talking about a whole different ballgame in your neck of the woods. Basically, you guys start with a 375 H&H for the varmints and work your way up from there!:)
 
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