I am in need of expert advice!

weatherby Vanguard IIs are apparently guarantied to be MOA out of the box. I have a Vanguard 1 that was MOA out of the box so I would be fairly willing to believe the claims.
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Since Weatherby now guarantees their relatively affordable, rebadged Howa rifle MOA accuracy with factory ammunition straight from the box (think what some "tuning" and custom reloads might add), I'd certainly give the Vanguard some serious consideration. Yeah, they're a little on the heavy side (but you said weight was not a particular concern for you) and some Vanguards came with a trigger that might benefit from a bit of work, still, of the many rifles I own, my Vanguard chambered in .257 Weatherby Magnum compares favorably with the best of them in terms of "out-of-the-box" accuracy.

Oh, and welcome to The Firing Line!
 
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My Vanguard shoots factory stuff at less than 1/2 moa, and almost every bullet powder combo i've worked up for it, shoots sub-moa at 100 yds, to say the least I'm damn tickled with mine..
P.S. I gave only $350.00 for it new at Walmart!:)
 
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F class

If you are serious and have the time,and ca$h,F class is a whole new time absorbing hobby....custom rifles,the best optics,the best equipment,handloading,weighing ,measureing etc ....b/c all of these guys can hit the X ....so it comes down to measurements after that,as to who has the best group .....The long distance shooters here,buy and keep their own reamers ! The fellow I know that builds F class rifles uses Rem actions,and then everything else is custom .....his prefered caliber is a 6mm-284,custom loaded ....the guns weigh 22 lbs,the optics are some of the best made ....the sky is the limit .....I'd love to try it,but I can't afford the time or cost .....

Good Luck ,

BB34
 
While Savage probably makes the most accurate production centerfire rifles these days, if you want to start out with a custom one, no conventional box magazine rifle action has performed as well as the Winchester Model 70. Near 3 times stiffer than the Remingtons, it's operation is easier and more reliable as well as easier to maintain and change firing pin springs every two years on. They've only recently been superceded by tube guns (Tubb 2000, for example) in high power rifle matches where they excelled for nearly 60 years.
 
Jim Watson mentions:
A GOOD .223 will hold its own at 600. Just ask the Service Rifle shooters who have moved the M14/M1A into the nostalgia category with their mouse guns.
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Note that for the last several years at the Nationals, semiauto rifles (M1, M14NM, M1A and AR10) in 7.62 NATO have scored higher than the 5.56 NATO round and winning the 1000 yard matches for service rifles. Mouse guns have been falling flat on their little faces beyond 600 yards. 'Twas the US Army Rifle Team that got the rules changed so they could shoot AR10's in 7.62 NATO so they would be competitive as they didn't have any more good M14NM's available. Beyond 600 yards, it's the mouse guns that have moved into nostalgia.
 
No doubt about it. I have a LR AR built because I believed the paper ballistics. It will not shoot with the .308 at true Long Range no matter what the numbers promise.

But Memphis only goes to 600 yards where a high BC .223 will do well.
At lower cost than .308 to the ammo buyer.
 
Hey everyone I greatly appreciate the info. I did a little digging around this week on some ideas. I am thinking of starting off with the savage because 1) price. 2) aftermarket crap is out the whazoo. 3) If I want to change things along the way, I can. This may be a project rifle, so I think starting at X-rifle and maybe down the road ending up at XYZ-rifle may be the way to go. If this logic is flawed, I could totally use the help. Thanks!
 
I've been told I'm a pretty fart smeller... I mean smart feller!! :D

I'd start with a Remington 700 action and go from there. My 2 cents... :confused:
 
I liked the savage because of the accustock as well. I was origionally looking at "accurizing" my vanguard .308. When I saw how expensive that would be for basically the same features I'd get out of the box with a savage I just bought the savage. Most rem's stocks are too flimsy ti be free floated. Weatherby's actually have a post inside because they know they're too flimsy. I didn't want to buy a new rifle, then a new stock, then a new trigger to have a good gun.

With all that I'm glad I bought the savage predator hunter. My only complaint about the rifle was the mossburg looking camo'd stock. But some rattle can took care of that.
 
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