hysteria has consumed us all...

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Mr. Parker,

How am I suposed to know, ahead of time, when I will need a gun for protection? Just because I live "in a quiet area" doesn't mean TS won't HTF.

I live in an older suburb, with good policing and a 5 minute (or less) response time. About 10 years ago, at the gas station where I regularly fill up, a doctor was gasing up one morning at about 6:30. Another car pulled up on the other side of the pumps. The driver got out, walked around the pumps, and shot the doctor dead on the spot. The police station and City Hall were right across the street.

You never know when or where TSWHTF.

Security is mostly a superstition. It does not exist in nature, nor do children of humans as a whole experience it. Avoiding danger is no safer in the long run than outright exposure. Life is either a daring adventure or nothing.- Helen Keller


I will now list all those places in this world where a human is 100% safe all the time.

Your grave.


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Shoot straight & make big holes, regards, Richard at The Shottist's Center



[This message has been edited by 45King (edited September 08, 2000).]
 
having got comfortable carrying, i now find i am not comfortable not carrying. years ago in a previous incarnation as an air force instructor pilot i learned that i am very much driven by habits. it is more efficient and safer to be subliminally aware of the weapon's presence on or about my person than to sometimes have it and sometimes not.
 
Mr Parker,
Try living in my old neighborhood (with the accent on "hood")
Gunfire was common. It turns out that the old "hood" was the nexus of three Mexican street gangs, complete with the predictable friction. Yep, right in the middle of the west's most western town,Scottsdale Arizona, was a little bit of powder keg, and sometimes warzone. You bet I had my gun with me at all times! I did not leave my house without it. It rested under my pillow when I slept. It was within reach anywhere I went in the apartment. Paranoid. I think not. Not when you are being "sized" up as a possible target every time you go outside.My roommate and I soon became one of the few white people left in the area. Not racist, just a fact. Oh, as an aside, every apartment in the area was broken into EXCEPT ours. The 'bangers knew that we were armed, and what would happen if they tried anything. ;) Come on down, Mr Parker!!!

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Yeah, I got a permit to carry,it's called the friggin Constitution.---Ted Nugent

"Glock 26: 17 rounds of concealed carry DEATH comming your way from out of nowhere!!! THAT'S FIREPOWER, BABY!!!"
 
FWIW.

Up here in rural northern Wisconsin a man was shot to death by his neighbor while mowing the lawn earlier this summer.

While I think it is extremely unlikely to be placed in a life-threatening situation I no longer think it is impossible.

Unfortunately, my state choses to "protect" me by outlawing, amongst other things, concealed carry. It does allow open carry with some restrictions.

In closing, to answer part of the question, we apparently aren't "hysterical" if we carry while mowing the lawn.
 
As a member of our Armed Services, and a father of a little house rambling rugrat, I think the only two acceptable places for a firearm are in a safe that is theft resistant, or in your DIRECT control. For some, that might be a drawer in your house, but for me and mine, it must be on my person.

Do I carry all the time? It's none of your business unless you're a cop. Knock on my door at two AM and I'll give you the answer!
 
I certainly respect everyone's response and situation. I dunno, maybe I've gotten a little lax living in a relatively low crime area. There's hope for me yet...my mini-14 is right next to me! Best Regards, J. Parker
 
Having been in a business where trouble could rear its ugly head at anytime, and on several occasions did, I got into the practice of carrying at all times. I carry where ever I can. That includes in the house or the crapper or at dinner or where ever. I just feel better knowing that if some idiot comes crashing thru the door I can defend myself. I don't think that is paranoid. I think it is just being cautious and prepared. Better to have and not need, than to need and not have. These are my thoughts on the subject.

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>I certainly respect everyone's response and situation. I dunno, maybe I've gotten a little lax living in a relatively low crime area. There's hope for me yet...my mini-14 is right next to me![/quote]

Hi Parker,

I'm in a rural, low-crime area too. I figure it's a low crime area simply because everyone -- even the stooopidest BG -- knows that them country folks is always armed. There's easier pickin's in the city.

But now you've let the cat out of the bag, that country folks aren't always armed these days. Hmph. No more safety by reputation. Rats. Guess I'll have to keep my gun on me after all. :)

pax

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"Is there anything wrong with a woman preferring the dignity of an armed citizen? I don't like to be coddled and I don't like to be treated like a minor child. So I waive immunity and claim my right -- I go armed." -- Longcourt Phyllis in Beyond This Horizon by Robert Heinlein
 
My wife, an extremely beautiful young woman, just had a wake up call yesterday.

We live in an extremely wealthy and safe area.

She babysits for a couple that live down the road from us. This couple is from Germany and for whatever reason they do not lock their doors, ever.
My wife always locks the doors.

When they left her with their infant, they did not lock the door on the way out and she forgot to lock it behind them.

My wife was taking care of the baby when suddenly a large black man opened the front door and walked into the house! He did NOT belong there in any way, (in case you think there is a "comic" relief moment coming here).

She was holding the infant in the living room of this small apartment. He entered boldly through the door. She said her first intinct was to run to the kitchen, get a big knife and the phone and call the police. But, guess what, Murphy is not so kind. The front door is next to the kitchen, and he was now between her and the phone as well as any defense implements (guns, large knives etc).

She said that she was in such shock, she sat their and stared in total shock (I am not sure if she said anything to him). He stammered a little and said something, they stared at each other, and by the grace of God, something scared him off (maybe he didn't want to deal with the infant in her arms?).

Let me say that now my wife has a whole new (renewed) attitude about carrying a weapon! She said that in one quick second she was totally cornered and helpless inside what was otherwise a very safe home only seconds before.
She said she has considered many times in the last day how helpless she would have been in he had followed through with an assault.

Now...how many people would consider it COMPLETE LUNACY to carry a gun while nursing a child? Well, let me say, she does not think it is so crazy now.
If she told someone here that she carries a gun around the house, even when she is nursing the baby, imagine the horror and shock of some people!!!

But, the thing is, she just survived a situation where she needed a gun right then and their with a baby in her arms.

I do believe that only by the grace of God did she survive, and a guardian angel is about all that could have scared off that man.

There has been a man of that description raping women in this are and it possibly was him but we will hopefully never know.
He was not a neighbor, and had no reason to be opening doors of random apartments walking into strangers' homes. His intentions, whatever they were were NOT good, and something scared him off. Who knows what he saw? My wife does carry a 3" Benchmade pocketknife, maybe he saw that, or he caught a vibe he didn't like, or maybe he didn't want to deal with the infant or maybe he was testing the waters and he will be back? Who knows, but if he had not been scared off she would have been helpless in that home, and she realizes that.

She told me last night that she wants to get back into her Kali knife training and be more diligent about carrying a knife, (as well as locking the doors of course). She also wants to carry a gun, and she is licensed in another State, but our wonderul State does not trust her to carry a gun.

Carry a gun while nursing a baby in your own home? Complete hysteria!
My wife does not think so any more.



[This message has been edited by jdthaddeus (edited September 08, 2000).]
 
I don't think hysteria (defined as wild, uncontrollable excitement or emotion; secondarily as a functional disturbance of the nervous system, of psychoneurotic origin) has consumed us all. Nor is the comment hysterical (of or affected with hysteria; colloquially taken to be 'extremely funny or amusing).

I am reminded of earlier days and times, when to ask such a question was to be considered 'nosey'. IMHO, hysteria grabs mass attention politically and few recognize it as the necessary prelude to fascist political solutions that mass media and national politicians are so fond to propound.

I truly hope that the 'low crime area' in which you now reside stays that way. Few do.
Many rural residents can testify to the fact that crime rates in the country (or rural areas) are not much better than they are in many cities/suburban areas.

The only things I carry with me most of the time are my wits, accompanied occasionally by a firearm.
 
J.Parker,
Do you think the average TFL'er is paranoid in carrying...?
Read my posts on nonCGI/Forum18/HTML/000231.html on the self defense side. LASur5r is the User name.
While I am a bull in the china shop in getting the readers to analyze the why's and wherefores of carrying...on most of the subjects, I can give you real life instances where guns were used by private citizens.
If you are doubtful and you are not willing to use a weapon in defense of saving a life, then you might develop stronger resolve or give up carrying.

I noticed in many responders that there is a strong feeling that it goes against the grain to lay down your life and not be the best prepared(which also means being the best armed)...and it means being mentally prepared to take action...whether it is to circle the wagons and stand ready to repel all boarders or in some of the TFL'ers it could include taking the battle to the BGs.
Hysteria?

I bet you these TFL'ers would stand calm against the approaching BG because these folks have in common...resolve. I'd much rather stand with these folks then with the people that choose to lay down and die.

I was in country, our unit was inserted behind NVA lines. I was literally up a tree because the terrain was such that I had to get to a vantage point to get us oriented. While up there, I picked up beaucoup troop movement. Our little unit needed to bugout, right then.
That's when we started taking heavy rifle fire. I was too high up to drop out of the tree, bullets were hitting the trunk under me! The guys stood firm, returning fire until I could get down and even though we knew we were heavily outnumbered and could have been quickly been surrounded and killed, every one stood their ground. Even though every man in that unit knew their best bet for staying alive was to take off before the enemy troops could close in. Two of my best friends were killed in that action...they both died close to that tree..probably because I took too long to get out of that damn tree.
You don't ever forget that....

Hysterical? What if it was your life saved because these folks were packing and were willing to save your life at any of the sites that you named and some BG came at you with a weapon, trying to take your life?
What if they protected your wife?

Would any of these folks be hysterical then?

'Nuff said...I guess you had to be there, then you wouldn't make that statement.
 
I carry in the home. Simple reason. I would rather be prepared.

I live in a VERY low crime area, and I also own a dog, and am aware of my surroundings, and I try to do all the things I am supposed to do.

I still carry in the home.

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Venice, Ca, 1971 or so. I was awakened in the wee smalls in my one room apt by the sound of someone trying to jimmy open my bathroom window, I ascertained that two individuals were standing on the fire escape and opened up my other window on that side. I stuck my head and the muzzle of an 870 out of that window and told those two to leave or die. They left, fast.

Md, 1978. I was working at the Md House of Correction, and had made the largest reefer bust anyone could remember. Word was,the kingpins had a 100 pack contract out on me. Considering one could get a stabbing for 20 packs, it was quite a compliment. Anyway, I was off and laying in bed a little when I heard the door open quietly. I rolled out of bed and grabbed a S&W Model 58, the 41 Mag duty style handgun that served as a house gun. Down the hall came Zeke, a maintenance man for the apt complex with a reputation of entering apts inhabited by single females w/o announcing himself. Zeke came to a dead stop when he saw the 41 aimed at him. I called him everything except bright and told him NEVER to enter my door again unless he was tired of life. He left in a hurry and I burned up the phone line to the office. Later that day, a locksmith I hired put in new locks,over the owner's objections, and Zeke joined the ranks on the unemployed.

Postscript....
I had thought Zeke was just trying to get a peek on a woman know to frequent my apt at that time, but a year and a half later he showed up at the Cut(MHC) with an armed robbery charge.He hung out with the dealers that had put out that contract, which nobody tried to cash in.I wonder what would have happened if that Model 58 hadn't been nearby.
 
Need? Someone asked about need?

Who needs an AKM? Who needs a 15 rnd magazine? Isn't ten enough?

I don't care what others think of my needs. I decide.

Do you carry everywhere, all the time? Yes. Why the hell not?
 
LaSur5r; I was in the RVN from '70 to '71. Although I wasn't a "ground pounder" I was at an air base that took rockets every other day or so. That wasn't any more fun than getting shot it. So, my friend, you weren't the only one who went to the "Nam". After eight years in the service I spent 23 years with the Federal government so I consider myself one patriotic S** of a B****! Please don't tell me I haven't been there because I have! Ok, so much for the flag waving. My ex-wife and I were almost victims back in the early eighties until I stuck a Walther PPk in the face of some scum bag. So, I'm a patriot and I've protected my family as of course I should. I simply started this topic on a slightly albeit sarcastic note but also to get some feedback from fellow TFLer's not to be put down by anyone. Constuctive input is one thing, telling somebody they haven't "been there" is another. Best Regards, J. Parker
 
Knew a guy who was on the throne at 0200 when a stanger walked by the open door...

Down the street from my parents, some guys just opened the door and walked in another old couple watching TV, beat them up and robbed them...

A woman came home from her noon aerobics class, was in the shower when she was attacked...

OTOH, golfers are struck by lightning all the time too. :)

Don't worry, be happy.

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Welcome Home, J. Parker,
From one vet to another vet.
I really meant it...More specifically,You had to be there. More specifically, I went to college with the guys I joined up with, we went through Basic and AIT,then in 'Nam we got drunk together on R and R,got in fights with other servicemen in the bars, stood back to back to take on all comers, watched each others backs in Indian country, saved each other's butts...they were guys that would take a bullet for you...and they did.....sigh! 13 of us joined up together, 3 of us came home. That's what I meant when I say, "You had to be there( where those guys were closer to me than my own brothers..and where they died protecting each other and me...where they were next to me when they died, then you wouldn't say what you did."
I am not waving the flag, because we were no different than tens of thousands of Americans. We saw our duty to our country which we love and we did it. We went because we were young and idealistic...we fought and many died to protect the rights of all Americans...here in the states.
That's why it saddens and angers me when I see this country being torn apart by our fellow Americans who don't understand and appreciate what this country is and could be.

You did your tour for which you are my brother...if we ever meet up, I'd buy you a drink and we can hoist a glass to our other brethren who went before us.
I'm sorry, I get a little melancholy thinking about them.
I am in no way denigrating you or what you did...I just ask you and others to remember and understand the ideals of the founders of our country.
I respect your rights to beleive and feel different than I do and all I ask is that you do the same...not to call us TFL'ers hysterical...
Welcome home, J. Parker. And to all of you guys, who went there...even if it is only in you hearts....Welcome home.
 
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