HYPOTHETICALLY: No CCW, Would U Carry?
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No CCW or open carry allowed here, and I don't carry. Guess that answers the question. Until very recently it was a felony to carry illegally, so I would have been unemployable as a teacher in any state if I'd been caught.
I always have a knife on me when I leave my room, but I'd prefer a handgun. Actually, I'd settle for being able to keep it in the car. And if there were no CCW but open carry was legal, I'd open carry. I don't care too much about freaking out sheeple. The only thing that would worry me would be retaining the weapon; that makes me a little nervous when I carry a knife in the open.
And of course I'd need more training . . . .
I always have a knife on me when I leave my room, but I'd prefer a handgun. Actually, I'd settle for being able to keep it in the car. And if there were no CCW but open carry was legal, I'd open carry. I don't care too much about freaking out sheeple. The only thing that would worry me would be retaining the weapon; that makes me a little nervous when I carry a knife in the open.
And of course I'd need more training . . . .
Shoot, I'm making arrangements to take the course next month, and I've carried when I felt the need for over 30 years. Never thought much of it, frankly, I've carried in DC and in Chigago, tho never in NYC because I wouldn't be caught dead there. I don't EVER leave my home town without a gun in the car, and I've driven through every state except the Northeast about a jillion times, figure how many laws I've broken there alone!
Though I would have never guessed I was breaking any law until recently, when this forum started making me aware of the crazy laws out there. But if I was starting another of my round the country in a car vacations with small children and my bride along again, you're darn right there would be a gun with me, and it wouldn't have a trigger lock on it, either. Nor would it or the ammo for it be in the trunk, or any of the other ridiculous requirements some places require.
Though I would have never guessed I was breaking any law until recently, when this forum started making me aware of the crazy laws out there. But if I was starting another of my round the country in a car vacations with small children and my bride along again, you're darn right there would be a gun with me, and it wouldn't have a trigger lock on it, either. Nor would it or the ammo for it be in the trunk, or any of the other ridiculous requirements some places require.
My answer is no and it is based on my 25 years as an LEO enforcing the law when and where applicable.
One must consider the legal ramifications if one does so without a permit and in my opinion that outweighs the need to do so in MOST cases.
I am speaking about the person who decides to carry on a daily basis "just because" when he/she can not obtain a permit thru legal channels or the state in which they live does not provide for the means to do so.
There are many that visit boards such as this and read where there are those who have the right to carry legally and they don't. This works on their minds and they justify the action they possibly take by rationalizing that if he/she can, so can I, legal or not.
This is where the problems can begin and many times do.
If you feel strongly enough about having the need to carry a weapon, move to a state where you can do so legally and spare yourself the grief.
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Jim - NRA Life Member
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One must consider the legal ramifications if one does so without a permit and in my opinion that outweighs the need to do so in MOST cases.
I am speaking about the person who decides to carry on a daily basis "just because" when he/she can not obtain a permit thru legal channels or the state in which they live does not provide for the means to do so.
There are many that visit boards such as this and read where there are those who have the right to carry legally and they don't. This works on their minds and they justify the action they possibly take by rationalizing that if he/she can, so can I, legal or not.
This is where the problems can begin and many times do.
If you feel strongly enough about having the need to carry a weapon, move to a state where you can do so legally and spare yourself the grief.
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Jim - NRA Life Member
www.geocities.com/jimc_07874/home.html
Good Morning All-
These notions are very similar to a thread that was discussed on TFL in regard to "Carrying in a Car" a few months ago.
Whether carrying in a car or on your person without government sanction, a few common-sense rules apply. Of course, this discussion is hypothetical and YMMV.
http://www.thefiringline.com:8080/forums/showthread.php?threadid=24985
Regards,
~ Blue Jays ~
[This message has been edited by Blue Jays (edited April 02, 2000).]
These notions are very similar to a thread that was discussed on TFL in regard to "Carrying in a Car" a few months ago.
Whether carrying in a car or on your person without government sanction, a few common-sense rules apply. Of course, this discussion is hypothetical and YMMV.
http://www.thefiringline.com:8080/forums/showthread.php?threadid=24985
Regards,
~ Blue Jays ~
[This message has been edited by Blue Jays (edited April 02, 2000).]
Robert Foote
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Talked to a retired LEO friend of mine who now lives in the PR of CA. I asked him what his practice was these days. Apparently he went down to the local PD to inquire about CCW in CA and no one below the rank of chief knew what to tell him (he was very impressed by that). The chief never did call him back. He carries.
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The only place you are in danger from the police violating your rights and having way too much control over you is when you are driving. Never consent to a search, but they may do it anyway.
On foot, your rights have not be infringed nearly as much by the servile courts.
If you take the bus to work, your chances of being searched by the mayor's stooges are markedly reduced.
So, that leaves carrying in your car. Bolt a combo lockback to your transmission hump and place your gun in there. Access is delayed, but the cop will need a search warrant, generally to peer into it, unless you are stupid enough to consent to a search. Of course, when they get gunpowder sniffing dogs that will be out the window.
Rick
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"Congress have no power to disarm the militia. Their swords, and every other terrible implement of the soldier, are the birth-right of an American." Tench Coxe 2/20/1788
On foot, your rights have not be infringed nearly as much by the servile courts.
If you take the bus to work, your chances of being searched by the mayor's stooges are markedly reduced.
So, that leaves carrying in your car. Bolt a combo lockback to your transmission hump and place your gun in there. Access is delayed, but the cop will need a search warrant, generally to peer into it, unless you are stupid enough to consent to a search. Of course, when they get gunpowder sniffing dogs that will be out the window.
Rick
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"Congress have no power to disarm the militia. Their swords, and every other terrible implement of the soldier, are the birth-right of an American." Tench Coxe 2/20/1788
Dennis Olson
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I am not a felon. I am a law-abiding citizen. As a matter of fact, at one point I had CCW permits from three states. IMHO, the government has NO RIGHT to force either myself or my loved ones to be KILLED or submit to brutality, in order to satisfy their Gestapo laws.
I carry when I'm out.
I carry when I'm out.
I will simply say what I have said before. Those who feel the need to be armed, for whatever reason, will be armed, legally or not. The lack of a permit does not stop a person from carrying a gun; it only allows the arrest of a person who is caught.
Anyone who is concerned about the legality of carrying a gun has no real need to do so.
Jim
Anyone who is concerned about the legality of carrying a gun has no real need to do so.
Jim
Hey Deliverer!
I think that John Q Citizen has to make a choice about when to carry based on his perceived threat level.
In the case of someone I know very well (ahem...), He carries without a CCW (california) when on overnight road trips with his family in the car, when in hotel rooms, always in state and national parks when off road and, more rarely, when at work late (he owns his own business).
His wife carries too, when off road in national and state parks and when remote camping but not any other times.
Could this potentially cause legal problems? Maybe.. but it hasnt even been brought up in the last 10 years, even when stopped by CHP for speeding (73 in 65 zone on I-5).
Unfortuantely this nation has passed so many laws tht its citizens are not willing to follow that it is eroding the rule of law. Most parents that I know raise their kids with the idea of: "obey the law unless it threatens you or your family or unless you do not agree with it and you are willing to face the consequences."
So much for the rule of law.
J.T.
I think that John Q Citizen has to make a choice about when to carry based on his perceived threat level.
In the case of someone I know very well (ahem...), He carries without a CCW (california) when on overnight road trips with his family in the car, when in hotel rooms, always in state and national parks when off road and, more rarely, when at work late (he owns his own business).
His wife carries too, when off road in national and state parks and when remote camping but not any other times.
Could this potentially cause legal problems? Maybe.. but it hasnt even been brought up in the last 10 years, even when stopped by CHP for speeding (73 in 65 zone on I-5).
Unfortuantely this nation has passed so many laws tht its citizens are not willing to follow that it is eroding the rule of law. Most parents that I know raise their kids with the idea of: "obey the law unless it threatens you or your family or unless you do not agree with it and you are willing to face the consequences."
So much for the rule of law.
J.T.
Nothing like a whole day being deleted to take the steam off of a hot coffee...I mean topic.
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"Reasonable gun law?........There's No such critter." --EQ
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"But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip; and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one." -Jesus Christ (Luke 22:36, see John 3:15-18)
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"Reasonable gun law?........There's No such critter." --EQ
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"But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip; and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one." -Jesus Christ (Luke 22:36, see John 3:15-18)
David Roberson
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When I took my CC course here in North Carolina after CC was finally approved a few years ago, the instructor (a sheriff's deputy) made the offhand and unconcerned comment, "I know most of you carried anyway." No one disputed the statement.
panzerfuehrer
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I keep tellin' y'all - move to Vermont! 
I can and do.
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Panzerführer
Die Wahrheit ist eine Perle. Werfen sie nicht vor die Säue.
Those that beat their swords into plowshares will plow for those that don't.
I can and do.
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Panzerführer
Die Wahrheit ist eine Perle. Werfen sie nicht vor die Säue.
Those that beat their swords into plowshares will plow for those that don't.
ellsworthtoohey
New member
Oh no! In some jurisdictions it is a felony. As many members of this forum point out, convicted felons have no rights, including the right to possess firearms. A felony conviction means that YOU ARE EVIL! Right republicans? Right NRA!
Elsworthtoohey,
That's right! Lets stick it to us...I mean them and enforce those existing gun laws! Get tough on crime! Enforce NO TOLLERANCE policies. Put them kids in jail and throw away the key for bringing them deadly blades and nail clippers to gvt school. You parents warn your kids, "THREE STRIKES AND YOUR OUT!" Lets Goooooooo Project Exile.....Lets Goooooooo get THEM bad guys, cause it'll NEVER catch up w/us good law abiding citizens.
Now excuse me while I clean the sarcasm off of my keyboard before it shorts circuts something.
robert
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"Reasonable gun law?.......There's No such critter!"
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"But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip; and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one." -Jesus Christ (Luke 22:36, see John 3:15-18)
That's right! Lets stick it to us...I mean them and enforce those existing gun laws! Get tough on crime! Enforce NO TOLLERANCE policies. Put them kids in jail and throw away the key for bringing them deadly blades and nail clippers to gvt school. You parents warn your kids, "THREE STRIKES AND YOUR OUT!" Lets Goooooooo Project Exile.....Lets Goooooooo get THEM bad guys, cause it'll NEVER catch up w/us good law abiding citizens.
Now excuse me while I clean the sarcasm off of my keyboard before it shorts circuts something.
robert
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"Reasonable gun law?.......There's No such critter!"
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"But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip; and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one." -Jesus Christ (Luke 22:36, see John 3:15-18)
ellsworthtoohey
New member
Right Equalizer! Nobody in the Republican Party and the NRA had better whine about Ruby Ridge and Waco either. They got exactly what they say they want--enforcement of existing firearms laws. If possessing a firearm in NYC or DC is a felony; if carrying a concealed firearm in PA without a CCW is a felony; and you are caught & convicted, you are a felon and have no rights--period!
Enforcement of existing laws, that's the mantra! If one accepts it, he shouldn't whine when he falls victim to it.
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"I don't believe in individualism, Peter. I don't believe that any one man is any one thing which everybody else can't be. I believe that we are all equal and interchangeable."--Ellsworth Toohey
Enforcement of existing laws, that's the mantra! If one accepts it, he shouldn't whine when he falls victim to it.
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"I don't believe in individualism, Peter. I don't believe that any one man is any one thing which everybody else can't be. I believe that we are all equal and interchangeable."--Ellsworth Toohey
jeffelkins
New member
It depends on the jurisdiction and cirumstances, but generally no.
Here in Florida, licenced CCW is 'shall issue' so it's not worth my while to risk a felony conviction.
If I were living in an area where it was a misdemeanor, I might consider it. During a time of civil unrest (LA riots, post-Hurricaine Andrew,etc) I wouldn't leave home w/o my SKS!
Here in Florida, licenced CCW is 'shall issue' so it's not worth my while to risk a felony conviction.
If I were living in an area where it was a misdemeanor, I might consider it. During a time of civil unrest (LA riots, post-Hurricaine Andrew,etc) I wouldn't leave home w/o my SKS!