Hydro-shok +p+
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George Helser
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TXlewis,
Here are some numbers from corbon.com and federalcartridge.com
CORBON 9x19
115 gr @ 1350 fps with 466 ft/lbs
125 gr @ 1250 fps with 434 ft/lbs
Hydra-Shok 9x19
124 gr @ 1120 fps with 345 ft/lbs
147 gr @ 1000 fps with 325 ft/lbs
The Hydra-Shok 9x19 ammo is low power and with the low velocity has low potential for expansion. I would not carry Hydra-Shok 9x19 ammo for self defense!
Good luck.
Regards,
George
In sunny Arizona
P.S. The Corbon ammo is not only more effective, it has virtually zero muzzle flash which is a huge advantage when shooting after dusk.
Here are some numbers from corbon.com and federalcartridge.com
CORBON 9x19
115 gr @ 1350 fps with 466 ft/lbs
125 gr @ 1250 fps with 434 ft/lbs
Hydra-Shok 9x19
124 gr @ 1120 fps with 345 ft/lbs
147 gr @ 1000 fps with 325 ft/lbs
The Hydra-Shok 9x19 ammo is low power and with the low velocity has low potential for expansion. I would not carry Hydra-Shok 9x19 ammo for self defense!
Good luck.
Regards,
George
In sunny Arizona
P.S. The Corbon ammo is not only more effective, it has virtually zero muzzle flash which is a huge advantage when shooting after dusk.
George, I LOVE the corbon 124 gr. I just shot all mine 
So, I had to load with these h-s.
I have 147 gr non +p+
The ones I have loaded are definately +p+.
Most likely the 124 gr. SO I dont think the velocities are accurate for my bullets. But thanks.
I think it will compare with the corbon, however, I'll be picking up some more cor-bon today at the gunshow, (along with my new 92 brig in ss)
Gonna be a great day.
WL
So, I had to load with these h-s.
I have 147 gr non +p+
The ones I have loaded are definately +p+.
Most likely the 124 gr. SO I dont think the velocities are accurate for my bullets. But thanks.
I think it will compare with the corbon, however, I'll be picking up some more cor-bon today at the gunshow, (along with my new 92 brig in ss)
Gonna be a great day.
WL
This is the only place I've seen any numbers on the Federal +p+ HS 124gr:
http://www.rothenbuhler.com/gun/ammo.htm
http://www.rothenbuhler.com/gun/ammo.htm
Same site I gave the last time. http://greent.com/40Page/ammo/9/9mm.htm
This page has the manufacturers published velocities for all major manufacturers. The +P+ 124gr HydraShock has an advertised velocity of 1170fps. Actual velocity will depend on your barrel length, and random chance.
-Morgan
This page has the manufacturers published velocities for all major manufacturers. The +P+ 124gr HydraShock has an advertised velocity of 1170fps. Actual velocity will depend on your barrel length, and random chance.
-Morgan
Today's premium hollowpoint designs are no highly dependent on velocity to achiece reliable expansion.
The improvements in designs allow these bullets to expand at their targeted velocities. Premium defensive ammo, such as the 147 grain Winchester SXT, Golden Saber, or Hydrashok, all expand quite well at the subsonic velocities.
The 124 grain standard pressure Hydrashok also expands as well as any other defensive load out there, as do the standard pressure Gold Dots.
Yes, it was true, that a while back, the 147 grainers did have problems with expansion at the subsonic speeds. This is no longer the case, as the millions of dollars that the ammo companies spent for research and development had resulted in better designs.
The improvements in designs allow these bullets to expand at their targeted velocities. Premium defensive ammo, such as the 147 grain Winchester SXT, Golden Saber, or Hydrashok, all expand quite well at the subsonic velocities.
The 124 grain standard pressure Hydrashok also expands as well as any other defensive load out there, as do the standard pressure Gold Dots.
Yes, it was true, that a while back, the 147 grainers did have problems with expansion at the subsonic speeds. This is no longer the case, as the millions of dollars that the ammo companies spent for research and development had resulted in better designs.
George Helser
New member
Chemistry,
Can you point me to some data that shows new technology 147 gr bullets in 9x19 give expansion and power anything close to 115 gr bullets?
Regards,
George
In sunny Arizona
Can you point me to some data that shows new technology 147 gr bullets in 9x19 give expansion and power anything close to 115 gr bullets?
Regards,
George
In sunny Arizona
George,
If you doubt the ability of the 147 grain Hydra-Shok to be an effective round I'll give you the chance of a lifetime. I'll let you stand down range while I shoot up some of my 147 grain Hydra-Shoks. You catch them with whatever part of your body you want. This should be easy for you because you keep posting that the 147 grain Hydra-Shok isn't any good.
If you doubt the ability of the 147 grain Hydra-Shok to be an effective round I'll give you the chance of a lifetime. I'll let you stand down range while I shoot up some of my 147 grain Hydra-Shoks. You catch them with whatever part of your body you want. This should be easy for you because you keep posting that the 147 grain Hydra-Shok isn't any good.
George Helser
New member
blades67,
Your first point:
22 LR can be “effective”. 147 gr bullets can be “effective” in 9x19. For those slow learners, here again is my point:
In 9x19, the most powerful ammo I have seen is with 115 gr bullets. 115 gr bullets also have greater potential for expansion when compared to heavier bullets which are slower.
147 gr ammo in 9x19 is less powerful and has less potential for expansion. 147 gr ammo also has a bad reputation for over penetration (due to weight and lack of expansion) which makes it a poor CCW round if you do not want to wound innocent
bystanders.
Your second point:
You offered no evidence that new 147 gr ammo is more powerful or better expanding. Therefore I must assume there is none and you don’t know what you are talking about.
WARNING TO THOSE SELECTING 9x19 AMMO FOR CCW. THERE ARE ANONYMOUS PEOPLE ON THE FORUM POSTING BAD ADVICE ON CCW AMMO. BUYER BEWARE!
Regards,
George
In sunny Arizona
Your first point:
22 LR can be “effective”. 147 gr bullets can be “effective” in 9x19. For those slow learners, here again is my point:
In 9x19, the most powerful ammo I have seen is with 115 gr bullets. 115 gr bullets also have greater potential for expansion when compared to heavier bullets which are slower.
147 gr ammo in 9x19 is less powerful and has less potential for expansion. 147 gr ammo also has a bad reputation for over penetration (due to weight and lack of expansion) which makes it a poor CCW round if you do not want to wound innocent
bystanders.
Your second point:
You offered no evidence that new 147 gr ammo is more powerful or better expanding. Therefore I must assume there is none and you don’t know what you are talking about.
WARNING TO THOSE SELECTING 9x19 AMMO FOR CCW. THERE ARE ANONYMOUS PEOPLE ON THE FORUM POSTING BAD ADVICE ON CCW AMMO. BUYER BEWARE!
Regards,
George
In sunny Arizona
armedbutnotdangerous
New member
The best 9MM round is whatever load YOU can
rapidly and consistently put in a target (whether paper or not)
exactly where you aimed.
IMHO, you do that two or three times, it won't matter if you used
mil-surplus ball or Jimmy-Jake's 136gr expanding nuclear tipped decimator rounds.
Free advice is ALWAYS worth what you pay for it.
Steve.
rapidly and consistently put in a target (whether paper or not)
exactly where you aimed.
IMHO, you do that two or three times, it won't matter if you used
mil-surplus ball or Jimmy-Jake's 136gr expanding nuclear tipped decimator rounds.
Free advice is ALWAYS worth what you pay for it.
Steve.
This post was asking about the bullet weight of his +P+ hydrashock ammo. It was not asking about the potential for expansion, or lack there of any particular bullet weight in 9mm.
That said, anyone doubting the 147gr 9mm's can expand can take a ride down to CA, and ask the local police forces there whether or not their bullets are expanding in real humans. The professionals (as opposed to the amateurs) in the field of bullet terminal performance, recommend the 147's. These professional do not isolate their studies to gelatin, rather they confirm their hypothesis, by recovering and examining the bullets that have been used in actual shootings. That should be all the evidence needed.
-Morgan
That said, anyone doubting the 147gr 9mm's can expand can take a ride down to CA, and ask the local police forces there whether or not their bullets are expanding in real humans. The professionals (as opposed to the amateurs) in the field of bullet terminal performance, recommend the 147's. These professional do not isolate their studies to gelatin, rather they confirm their hypothesis, by recovering and examining the bullets that have been used in actual shootings. That should be all the evidence needed.
-Morgan
George Helser
New member
swatman,
I have never heard of a 115gr bullet at over 1300 fps being impaired by under-penetration.
If you feel you need to penetrate 24”, use full power 115 gr FMJ ammo. You will get more power than 147 gr ammo but with the over-penetration some think is important.
Neither bullet will tend to expand but the faster 115 gr bullet will give more shock.
The only use of 147gr in 9x19 is for suppressed shooting. BUT, if you need to limit yourself to subsonic ammo, 230 gr 45 ACP is a much better choice because it makes a much bigger hole!
CaesarI,
You stated:
“anyone doubting the 147gr 9mm's can expand can take a ride down to CA, and ask the local police forces there whether or not their bullets are expanding in real humans.”
Will you post the photos of the bullets you posted on Park Cities Tactical fired into gravel and claim the bullets were recovered from humans? (HOAX!!!!!!!!!)
In 9x19, the most powerful ammo I have seen is with 115 gr bullets. 115 gr bullets also have greater potential for expansion when compared to heavier bullets which are slower.
147 gr ammo in 9x19 is less powerful and has less potential for expansion. 147 gr ammo also has a bad reputation for over penetration (due to weight and lack of expansion) which makes it a poor CCW round if you do not want to wound innocent
bystanders.
Regards,
George
In sunny Arizona
I have never heard of a 115gr bullet at over 1300 fps being impaired by under-penetration.
If you feel you need to penetrate 24”, use full power 115 gr FMJ ammo. You will get more power than 147 gr ammo but with the over-penetration some think is important.
Neither bullet will tend to expand but the faster 115 gr bullet will give more shock.
The only use of 147gr in 9x19 is for suppressed shooting. BUT, if you need to limit yourself to subsonic ammo, 230 gr 45 ACP is a much better choice because it makes a much bigger hole!
CaesarI,
You stated:
“anyone doubting the 147gr 9mm's can expand can take a ride down to CA, and ask the local police forces there whether or not their bullets are expanding in real humans.”
Will you post the photos of the bullets you posted on Park Cities Tactical fired into gravel and claim the bullets were recovered from humans? (HOAX!!!!!!!!!)
In 9x19, the most powerful ammo I have seen is with 115 gr bullets. 115 gr bullets also have greater potential for expansion when compared to heavier bullets which are slower.
147 gr ammo in 9x19 is less powerful and has less potential for expansion. 147 gr ammo also has a bad reputation for over penetration (due to weight and lack of expansion) which makes it a poor CCW round if you do not want to wound innocent
bystanders.
Regards,
George
In sunny Arizona
DAVID NANCARROW
New member
Guess thats why I like the 45ACP. Even if it doesn't expand, you still have about the same size hole a 9 would make if it did expand!
George Helser
New member
DAVID NANCARROW,
Good point! Are you a Navy SEAL?
147gr in 9mm is low power, low expansion and makes a small hole. Why use it for self defense or for suppressed shooting?
45ACP in 230 gr is the choice for suppressed shooting! Its subsonic speed is not conducive to expansion but with .45” diameter you do make a serious hole without expansion!
For un-suppressed shooting, 185gr JHP in 45ACP is the hot ticket. It is more powerful than 230 gr ammo, has better potential for expansion and is less likely to over-penetrate.
I carry both with my HK Mk23 SOCOM.
Unfortunately, where I live we don’t normally wear overcoats so it is not very practical to carry the Mk23 for CCW. So I carry a compact 9mm which is almost as effective with its 115gr JHP bullets traveling at over 1300 fps.
Good luck!
Regards,
George
In sunny Arizona
Good point! Are you a Navy SEAL?
147gr in 9mm is low power, low expansion and makes a small hole. Why use it for self defense or for suppressed shooting?
45ACP in 230 gr is the choice for suppressed shooting! Its subsonic speed is not conducive to expansion but with .45” diameter you do make a serious hole without expansion!
For un-suppressed shooting, 185gr JHP in 45ACP is the hot ticket. It is more powerful than 230 gr ammo, has better potential for expansion and is less likely to over-penetrate.
I carry both with my HK Mk23 SOCOM.
Unfortunately, where I live we don’t normally wear overcoats so it is not very practical to carry the Mk23 for CCW. So I carry a compact 9mm which is almost as effective with its 115gr JHP bullets traveling at over 1300 fps.
Good luck!
Regards,
George
In sunny Arizona