Hurricane a'commin... do you alter your CCW?

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USP45

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Here's hoping you folks down in the Sunshine State see nothing more than a little rain from old Debbie...

But i was wondering. Do you alter your CCW style, ammo, hardware during a storm/natural disaster like this?

I suppose you have an influx of 'gators and human invaders out and about during these things...



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~USP

"[Even if there would be] few tears shed if and when the Second Amendment is held to guarantee nothing more than the state National Guard, this would simply show that the Founders were right when they feared that some future generation might wish to abandon liberties that they considered essential, and so sought to protect those liberties in a Bill of Rights. We may tolerate the abridgement of property rights and the elimination of a right to bear arms; but we should not pretend that these are not reductions of rights." -- Justice Scalia 1998
 
"But i was wondering. Do you alter your CCW style, ammo, hardware during a storm/natural disaster like this?"

Nope.

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Jim Fox
 
USP45, It's kind of funny that you asked this question because this is something that I've been thinking about all day and if I wasn't so pre-occupied with the coming hurricane, I would have posted this topic myself.

After doing a lot of thinking about it, my answer is "yes" -- I would/will alter my CCW and my reasons are the very two that you mentioned in the opening post ... invaders -- both human and gators (my neighborhood usually sees one or two of them after a heavy rain -- I can just imagine what will happen after/during a hurricane).

My regular CCW is usually a S&W3913 unless deep concealment is required, then it's a Kahr MK9. However, I recently purchased a couple of fanny packs -- one small & one large. What I like about these packs is that they don't have a strap which goes around your waist. Instead, you loop them through your belt making them much more secure from thief.

I already have the larger one loaded up with my S&W4006 plus two spare mags in the side pocket -- that's 34 rounds of .40S&W which should be enough to handle anything short of a riot or a pack of gators. This would, of course, be only during the storm (in addition to a wife & child, I have an elderly mother living alone and my wife's family to worry about) or right after a storm if there was loss of power, flooding, destruction, etc. If everything was well, then I would stick with my regular carry weapon in my regular carry mode.

By the way, present computer calculations show the current track of the storm to miss the state of Florida all-together. I'll just have to keep my fingers cross. Good topic!

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Everyone down in Fla. take a fan outside and point it south and blow that storm into the gulf! Texas needs rain! I'v got 90 ft pines dying in the back 6 acres.

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true story, a Union Gen. once said "Don't worry about those Rebs. They couldn't hit an elephant at this dist..SPLAT.
 
FUD, if the computer models say the storm will miss FLA, you'd better check on your candle supply. Mother Nature has a tendency to be obnoxious merely to torment those who would try to predict her!

The big problem in my area is that many useful things are not allowed in shelters; guns, pets, cookstoves, etc.

The bigger question than CCW hardware is "stay or go?" In my area, due to the inadequate evacuation routes, one either leaves early or doesn't leave. No sense getting caught out in a traffic jam when the heavy rains flood the roads. If I'm gonna die, I'd just as soon do it where I can have a cold beer and watch the trees fly by.
 
Ivanhoe, are shelters listed as the of the places restricted for CWL-holders to carry a firearm? I didn't think it was but they keep adding more & more places so it very well might be -- sort of makes me wonder about the logic behind all of this? I can walk down a street with a loaded firearm but not have one in a shelter? Don't quit follow the logic there. Might start a thread on it later if I have the time. Anyway, I've been tracking this storm and it now appears that it will completely miss all of Florida by a pretty good margin.

As a matter of fact TexasVet, you may just very well get your wish as it appears to be heading into the Gult and toward Texas. It has weakened down to a tropical depression but they are predicting that it will pick up strength in the Gulf and might be back to tropical storm strength by the time it hits Texas.
 
I'm deeply troubled that with all this rain that nobody has mentioned getting some water-proof ammunition. Isn't Sellier and Beloit waterproof?

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FUD, given the behavior of the average American when not under stress, and considering the behavior when REALLY stressed, do you wonder at the thinking of those who operate shelters? After all, they're already being paid to worry...

Shelter operators have no idea of your character or mental state or probable behavior, other than knowing you're stressed. A shelter operator has faith only in himself or an "official" person--cop in uniform or Red Cross armband. Any other person is a potential problem.

Another facet of the problem is the potential of theft of a weapon from a CCW carrier--and then what?

Granted I'm doing a bit of "Devil's Advocate", but the problems are indeed real-world.

Regards, Art
 
KaMaKaZe, unless you actually fall into some water with your gun, I would suspect that most ammo would be fine even under rainy conditions -- after all, the gun is already concealed so your cloths are offering some protection plus it is inside your gun which is offering even more protection. However, you bring up a very good topic. If this hasn't been covered before, you many want to start a thread on it.
 
Art, if things are bad enough that I have to leave my home to go to a shelter, then maybe I might be safe in the shelter but getting to and from the shelter is a different story. Not even counting the human element, gators come out in the rain. I kid you not, after a heavy rain I can usually spot one or two gators around the neighborhood not every single time but most of the time. I can only imagine what will/would happen after a hurricane.

Additionally, doesn't having a state issued CWL already speak highly about my character? I would think (and I maybe wrong) that a concealed weapon on my person is more secure then one left in the car unattended.

I understand what you're saying but I just think that there are too many restrictions on CWL holders. I think I'll start a thread on this topic after my 11am status call (unless somebody beats me to it). Regards, FUD.

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I wouldn't be so worried about the rain, vertical or horizontal, but i'd be really concerned about he surge. I don't live in an area prone to flooding, or even prone to be affected by storm surge, so i don't store some ammo in water-tight containers, but perhaps it's a good idea...



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~USP

"[Even if there would be] few tears shed if and when the Second Amendment is held to guarantee nothing more than the state National Guard, this would simply show that the Founders were right when they feared that some future generation might wish to abandon liberties that they considered essential, and so sought to protect those liberties in a Bill of Rights. We may tolerate the abridgement of property rights and the elimination of a right to bear arms; but we should not pretend that these are not reductions of rights." -- Justice Scalia 1998
 
FUD...

First, congrats on your first hurricane! I know you were ready to move a couple of days ago, but in reality you prepare for 20 for every one that affects you. Not a bad way to live actually. Usually the only thing I need to do is gas up the car and figure out where I am evacuating to if need be. Food, water, batteries, are always stocked year round, and refreshed every July 1.

So quit that talk of moving somewhere. Everyplace has something, and the great thing about hurricanes is you can see them coming several days ahead. Not so with tornados and earthquakes. And if six more people move to Arizona, they are going to run out of water. (That should generate some comments!) :)

As far as shelters, you do not want to go there unless you have no other choice. Bad news, usually a moderate amount of theft, poor facilities, and I believe you are correct that you cannot carry in STATE/COUNTY run shelters. Private shelters are another matter. If it is a concern that you will need one, I would go visit the shelter operators next week and discus it with them. They might welcome you as an additional security force if people start going berserk.
 
Someone above commented that they thought S&B was waterproof.

My question is this: how waterproof are surplus ammo boxes with a good intact rubber seal? Anyone ever played with one in a swimming pool? I know it sounds silly, but if I had a pool, that's what I'd do. Hmmm, maybe my neighbor will let me jump in his.
 
FUD, the CCW has absolutely nothing to do with the situation at a storm shelter. Consider that scenario to be an equivalent of martial law, in which you have no rights. As was seen down in Louisiana last year, you will have no property rights. Read that again, "no property rights." The authorities confiscated food and drink from individuals at shelters for redistribution to the rest of the refugees, and prevented refugees from leaving once they were in the shelter.

Aside from the fact that most shelters are government buildings and/or schools, do not waste time trying to preserve your rights in that scenario. The only outcome is that you will end up face down on the ground wearing flexi-cuffs. You can split the legal hairs with the prosecutor while you're being convicted of various felonies.
 
hmm, regarding waterproof ammo, I don't think I've ever owned any ammo that has malfunctioned due to water...

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Ivanhoe: ... equivalent of martial law, in which you have no rights. As was seen down in Louisiana last year, you will have no property rights. Read that again, "no property rights." The authorities confiscated food and drink from individuals at shelters for redistribution to the rest of the refugees, and prevented refugees from leaving once they were in the shelter ...[/quote]They take my stuff to give out to others and prevent me from leaving? Thanks for the warning because that's one place that I'm now definitely not going -- I'll take my chances in the 4x4 finding a place where I can preserve my rights to my property and my rights to be armed when chaos is running around all around me. Thanks again, FUD.
 
My Mother's friends in Florida survived hurricane Andrew(?) although their home was destroyed. Looters and violent thieves became a very real (unpublicized) problem! Our friends' comment?

"Nothing beats a neighbor with a 12 gauge!" ;)
 
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