Huge Downer Walther CCP

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Ace_Breaker

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Walther number 11 that I have owned. Never a prior significant problem and full of anticipation for the CCP after the long wait. I am a huge Hk P7 fan so could not wait to try the new CCP. Today I fired nothing but Speer Gold Dot and Winchester Ranger 147 gr ammo, 150 rounds.

First, the trigger is horrible, probably the worst stock trigger I have ever tried. Feels like sand in the mechanism. Very, very gritty and long. That was a minor irritant.

Many times the slide did not lock back on an empty mag.

Several failure to feed and eject. Ok, it's not like other Walther I have owned. I figure I can fix this on my own until the major issue..

The slide rams into the fixed barrel mid cycle and binds to a complete halt/ lock up. This is mid-cylce, not like a slide lock being activated. It completely bound up the gun and I had to use force to free it up. I can see inside on the left side of the slide where the metal is grinding into the barrel causing it to lock up. I could not replicate, but it did it about 4-5 times completely disabling the gun. Very frustrating.

So, I have contacted Walther and will post what they say about it. I was hoping to make this my new concealed carry gun, but they need to significantly build my trust in this with a fix! I did tell Walther in my e-mail that this would be gun 7, but forgot I owned 2 PPS and PPX, why I ever let the PPS go is beyond me!!
 
We've seen all sorts of problems with the CCPs owned by disappointed customers; many of them regret their purchases just like you do. The most annoying problem was when one locked up upon reassembly and couldn't even by disassembled by our gunsmiths. It had to be sent back to Walther to be taken apart.

I've seen some of the experts on the Walther forums say that the CCP isn't actually make by Walther, it's made by their parent company Umarex. Supposedly, Umarex also makes the P22. If that's true, then it would make sense considering both of those pistols have a cheaper-feeling construction, they have a similar magazine design, and they have many reported problems from owners; it really seems unlikely that they were made by the same company that makes the PPQ, P99, and PPS.
 
Supposedly, Umarex also makes the P22.
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Amongst other firearms. They also make the PK380, PPK/s .22, Colt 1911 .22's, Airsoft and BB Guns (and probably a few more). I was very excited about the CCP when I first saw pictures, but my excitement quickly went away when I heard they were not being made alongside the PPQ/P99/PPS/etc. If it works that's great, but sadly I can see it taking time to get some of the kinks out.
 
All the above is true about where the CCP is made. The Umarex product can't hold a candle to the well turned out products from Ulm.

Following the tales on waltherforums.com it appears that a handful of owners are experiencing good results with their CCPs, but there is a huge number of owners reporting all manner of problems. At its best the CCP is difficult to take down even after the procedure is practiced and requires, at the least, a special tool or a properly sized screwdriver. The reassembly is also difficult and requires a series of moves with more fitment problems than should be the case.

The blowback gas tube is a bit of a cleaning problem and while not difficult, it adds to the maintenance time and probably should be done after every shooting session.

Unless the easier racking and its reported reduced perceived recoil are prime requirements, I wouldn't be touching this gun until time proves that the issues are well worked out. And, this is coming from a Walther admirer who wouldn't let his PPS get away from him!
 
I've seen some of the experts on the Walther forums say that the CCP isn't actually make by Walther, it's made by their parent company Umarex. Supposedly, Umarex also makes the P22.
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There is no "supposedly" about it. Umarex manufactures the CCP and P22 at the Umarex factory in Arnsberg, Germany. This has been confirmed time and again by Walther America reps (not to mention the proofmarks on the actual guns).

You should not expect the quality of of the pistols actually made by Walther at the Walther factory in Ulm, Germany (such as the excellent P99, PPQ, and PPS).
 
Thanks for all the responses all. No word from Walther yet. Regarding less recoil flip and the easier racking of the slide I don't really notice any difference. I know it's a big selling point, but for me I was mostly interested in the gas plunger system and how it might compare to a P7. There is really no comparison though, a P7 blows it out of the water. I have owned about 6 varying P7 models over the years and have yet to even have a malfunction of any type.
 
So far I'm reading an incredible amount of bad about this pistol. This is quite a disappointment. I'm a happy PPS owner and was eager to check out the CCP based on the action. I am no longer eager to try it out.
 
I'm a happy PPS owner and was eager to check out the CCP based on the action.
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If you are a happy PPS owner, you have no need to check out the CCP. The CCP does nothing the PPS doesn't already do much better. And it's not like the PPS slide is that hard to rack anyway.
 
yeah i remember discussing proofs when this was first announced and we found the 3 crowns. Hurts to see a walther fan burned by umerax again.
 
On it's way back to Walther. When I called, the employee said that any issues with the gun are unknown to them until people let them know, which he said he was unaware of. He said he was a tester and it functioned flawlessly. Very helpful, but basically shot down opinions here on the net. I hope it comes back functional.
 
Ace_Breaker said:
On it's way back to Walther. When I called, the employee said that any issues with the gun are unknown to them until people let them know, which he said he was unaware of. He said he was a tester and it functioned flawlessly. Very helpful, but basically shot down opinions here on the net. I hope it comes back functional.
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Did you expect him to say, "Oh the CCP? Yea that gun is a pile of crap.".
 
I suppose Walther (USA) attributes it to bad quality ammunition (reloads) or to shooter error. Let us know what Walther does with it.

BTW, what type of ammunition?
 
Really, really wanted to like the CCP, but......

Tried it today at my gun range. They got one in and put it in their rental fleet, so I thought, "Yippee"!

I have a PPQ Mod 2 and absolutely love everything about it so I was hoping for a "PPQ Jr. with the same trigger" as the Big PPQ.

Short summary:

Pros:

Gorgeous to look at!
Fits your hand like a dream!
Priced reasonably!

Cons:

WORST TRIGGER IN THE KNOWN WORLD!!! :eek:

An ancient crossbow has a smoother action! The trigger pull is very long and gritty with multiple stops and starts...not smooth at all. It was noisy and rough....a real disappointment.

Fired about 50 rounds and found it to be accurate, easy to rack the slide and the reduced recoil is for real, but the trigger is so bad you really can't focus on anything else.

I don't get the impression that this is a "break in" issue...this trigger has some major design problems. Why couldn't they simply use a downsized version of the fantastic PPQ trigger?

Darn....had a spot in my collection all picked out for it, but not now! :(
 
Two things,
If slide racking ease is a requirement and
If size does not matter,
Then take a look at a Rock island 22tcm. Very easy to rack, even the 9mm spring is still way easier than my g17 or my PPQ

I'd like ta CCP for my wife, but I am staying away from it too
 
Update-

Got the Walther returned after some drama about shipping to and from the factory. At one point I told the lady just to keep the gun because it was junk. The attitude went away quickly and she said they would fix the weapon.

I got it back a few days ago. Quick turn around times. The note mentioned only a polish job, new extractor, new extractor spring. Nothing is mentioned about the horrible trigger or why it locks up mid-cycle.

I take it to the range today, 40 rounds of Winchester Ranger LE ammo and Speer Gold Dots. Same thing, fail to feed once, fail to lock back on empty mag once, 2X gun completely locking up in the middle of the cycle. I kept it jammed up and plan on returning it to them that way. Nothing was done for the horrible trigger.

I call Walther. The rep does nothing but attempt to blame me for every issue I mention from lubing too much (I shot it with the lube they put in it and din't add any), blamed my getting it dirty, quizzed me on assembly and dissassembly, dirty ammo, etc. I advised them that I am an armorer, use a proper cleaning vat, and lube properly. He continued to argue and said I probably pulled the slide back more than 1/8" when I assembled or dissassembled it. Bogus. He then blamed ammo and I told him what I shot. He said some ammo gets the weapon dirty in as low as 10 rounds, so dirt may be the issue. He went on and on about the issue being dirt and if I tried other ammo. I told him I did. When I mentioned the trigger they claim that nothing is done if it's within tolerances. Nice excuse for one of the worst triggers I've owned on a factory gun. We argue and I tell him it is currently locked up and needs fixed, what should I do? He seems not to understand the lock up situation then says he needs to talk to an armorer. He returns and blames me for jamming up the striker spring. I mention that I shot 8 rounds before it jammed, so how could I mess it up putting it together when it had functioned? I guess I could have pulled the slide more than 1/8" causing an issue that showed itself after 8 rounds! Nice thought on a defensive weapon! He says to send it in but be carefull during assembly in the future. I suddenly get disconnected. Call after call and I can't reach the guy. I finally tell the whole story to another rep who said he will send mailing information to me right away. That was about 4 hours ago, they are closed for the day, and nothing was sent(the prior time they sent via e-mail within minutes). I want out of this gun and have no trust that it will be fixed properly. I told the guy that no CCW gun should be so delicate that it would jam from lube, assembly/dissassembly, etc. He tried to claim it was designed like a gun that is no longer made due to costs and is like no other on the market. I told him "Hk P7" and he denied it. He also said that the trigger is not so great feeling because it's a defensive weapon unlike the PPQ. Then he bragged about the PPQ trigger. I din't know the PPQ was not a defensive weapon?? Anyways, wish I had never purchased this gun after waiting for about a year. I will problably return it then dump it! No more Walther if this is how they treat customers!
 
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