#HS2000 vs. Glock - Is the HS2000 a cheap knock off?

I put a few rounds through my buddies HS 2000 and I see nothing wrong with it! Oh... it goes BANG when I pull the trigger so I guess that is a malfunction!

Also, it has a glock 17 or 19 feel to it and is quite accurate too.

All in all not bad for the price wouldnt call it a knock off... although it shares some similar traits as the Glock.

Happy shooting!
 
9x45, we meet yet again...

Like I said, anyone run an HS2000 over 3,000 rounds?

Would you like email correspondence with several people who were present at 10k to 30k torture tests? I know quite a few, whose reports I trust implicitly...
 
9x45: I believe that Gumbo mentioned he has 6,000 rds through his HS. I've got over 5, 000 rounds through mine without a single failure of any kind. Zip. Zero. Nada. And still tight as a drum. Tear down an HS2000 and you'll find that it is quite robustly built.

As for use in competition, quite a few members of the HS2000-Talk discussion board regularly use there HS pistols in IDPA with excellent results.

And the fact that law enforcement hasn't jumped all over the HS yet means little. It makes sense that most departments want to see a solid track record before making expensive bulk purchases. Hence Intrac flooding the market at a low price. How long did it take Glock to become established in the LEO arena?

By the way, the HS2000 accepts Sure-Fire flashlights, along with aftermarket sights made for the SIG 226 (I've got a set of Meps on mine).

And as for holsters, let's see now, who makes them for the HS2000? How about Blade-Tech, High Noon, Safariland, Waldon, Desantis, Hogue, Uncle Mikes, and others...

Don't get hung up on the low price. As already well established, the HS2000 belies its inexpensive price tag.

Take care. Marko
 
I'm curious 9X45. What experience(s) have you had with the HS2000 that you base your opinion on? (Not meaning to flame or anything but just would like to know the reasoning behind all of the negativity of your point of view as I'm considering one myself. Maybe you've seen something in the HS I had overlooked, other that the price, that might persuade me to rethink my decision.)

As mentioned before, I'm sure people had the same opinions of the Glock when it first came out. Yes, I own one.
 
Here's a couple of HS2000 pics & an article from Gun Test magazine...

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HS 2000 Special Ops Version
New "Navy Seal" coating coming soon
July 20, 2000 "Gun Kote" protective finish is a durable and heat dissipating finish. It protect against corrosion, resists most oils and fluids, and helps keep parts cool.
"Gun Kote" was originally developed for use on military weapons.

"Gun Kote" will not attract dirt or dust, and has excellent impact resistance. It is not easily worn off such as bluing, phosphating, or other chemically blackened treatments.

"Gun Kote"" is non-reflective and has passed 1000 hours 5% salt spray tests."

Ideal coating thickness is .0004 of an inch, which should not cause any problems to close tolerance fits.

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Intrac HS2000 US, $419
This pistol is imported from Croatia, and we hope it stays around. The HS2000 incorporates a grip safety the likes of which are commonly found on 1911-style pistols. Actually, since the HS2000 is a striker-fired pistol and the Browning design works off a hammer, the mechanics are different but provides for stopping the firing sequence.

This is a valuable addition because the pistol will not fire unless it is held properly. As has been found on the 1911, however, the contour of the safety must be just right to close within the hollow of the average palm. A raised area at the bottom of the safety for sure safety deactivation was added by Ed Brown some time ago, and his Memory Groove design is almost standard throughout the ranks of 1911 manufacturers today. We didn't actually have any problem depressing the grip safety, but an adaptation of the Memory Groove concept to the grip safety of the HS2000 would lend additional confidence

Overall, we would have to rate the grip as first rate, with a mild palm swell at the backstrap and faux checkering molded in fore and aft. The magazine release is ambidextrous and cocking serrations along the slide are generous. Sight picture is a three white-dot design on a standard notch and post. This is clear and effective, and both front and rear units are dovetailed in place. A Glock-like safety adorns the trigger, and it along with the grip safety must also be compressed for the HS2000 to fire.

There are two visible cues to announce a ready-to-fire condition. When the chamber is loaded, a block rises from the slide just behind the barrel hood. When the gun is cocked, or rather when the striker is poised to fire, a corresponding pin protrudes from the rear of the slide.

Two magazines are included, and they are chrome plated and handsomely polished. Basepads complete the grip without adding unnecessary bulk

Removing the top end for cleaning is simple. When the gun is locked back, the slide lock can be rotated. Releasing the slide with the trigger pressed allows the top end to move forward and off the frame. Looking inside the frame we couldn't help but be struck by the simplicity. The magazine well is glossy and the mechanism

for the trigger and grip safety are recessed into the frame or hidden from dirt altogether. To service, such parts require the removal of corresponding pins in the frame.

Our only complaint with theHS2000 was its accuracy. At least three out of every five groups was spoiled by a flyer, and looking at the way the slide is fitted to the frame, we think we know why. Directly above the trigger area is a set of steel rails. To the rear there is another set of rails that are polymer. These rails are an integral part of the mold and machined to specification. However, you cannot expect polymer to offer the type of fit that can be achieved using steel. We deduce that these rails add support, but primary alignment is the job of the 1.35-inch-long steel rails that support the slide in the middle of the frame. An arrangement like this, we feel, is not the best way to assure accuracy. Alignment of the slide in a design such as this may suffer deflections due to pressure from the rounds in the magazine beneath it. As a result group sizes ran from 2.2 inches to 4.4 inches. This was disappointing because we felt we had the sight picture and trigger control we needed to shoot better groups.

While there is a fair amount of takeup in the trigger, we judged it to be consistent from shot to shot. One attribute we yearn for in a hinged trigger is the ability to know where we are in the stroke. In the past, we found the Glock trigger to be the least predictable. The Walther P99 shortens this sweep. The HS2000 and the Steyr pistols go about it a different way altogether. They let you take up their triggers, but stop you at a predetermined point to let you know the break is coming. We actually felt more confident with the HS2000 than results might otherwise indicate. The 115- grain Winchester Silvertips proved the most consistent but at 25 yards this meant groups measuring about 3.5 inches. This isn't bad and could be rated adequate combat accuracy.

Ease of operation and comfort are its strong points, and in our opinion should the manufacturer refine the slide-to-frame contact, the HS2000 could become a Best Buy candidate.
 
I read over most of the replies and I have still not seen the most important comeback to the LEO jabs. THE HS2000 WAS DESIGNED FOR AND USED BY THE CROATION POLICE AS WELL AS THE ARMY! That was enough for me to spend $320 out the door for mine. I am also now shooting it in USPSA matches every Monday night, starting tonight. I just got my High Noon Holster, Belt, and double mag carriers Friday. Shot 200 rounds practicing my holster draw and love it. Several double taps in the A zone. It may not be as big as the Glocks are in the US, but I bet it will be bigger than Glock in a few years. More safeties as well as better feel and better trigger pull.

ChrisW

P.S. This is my first auto pistol and it was the perfect gun to start with. Cost, Feel, Accuracy, they are all excelent!:D
 
For a first gun with tight fund, I'd buy an HS2000. Just as good as a Kahr K9 or a Ruger P95.

But when your budget permits, the Glock 19/17/26 is the best CCW or self defense gun for most for the money.

Love my HK P7 above all of my other 9mm's but we all have different budgets and reasons for buying guns.

But buying the best you can afford is always a good idea.
 
Let's get real here.

Ever do business with Russian, Croatians, Saudi's, Koreans and the like?

I do all day long.

As soon as the Croatian manufacturing wing figures out how much money they can make, the shortage and corresponding price increase will result.

And quality control can suffer.

They are still learning just the basics of how to do business.

Don't get me wrong, they are nice guns just like the TZ-99 P226 clones by Tressitu of SA but the CZ-75 series has long proven itself in american and european markets. Its a good deal too.

But since Croatia isn't part of the EU, I'm cautious. Parts availability will be an issue.

Nice but I'd rather not kiss my sister (HS2000). Give me Tyra Banks (Glock,Sig, HK).
 
hksigwalther, and Tamara, ok, I will confess that I did not even buy a Glock until 1990, and did not start shooting them competively until early '96. I did start to carry a Glock in '91, and took a Gunsite class with a G23, to which I suffered the 'slings and arrows' of the 1911 crowd. Ironic, as I competed with Colt Gold Cups since 1970.
However, I think conservative is more appropriate than negative. When you shoot competively, you see what runs, and what breaks. I have had my share of 1911(emphasis on 911) failures, like alot of competitive shooters. Perhaps when I meet a competitor that has run 50,000 thru an HS2000, I will consider buying one.
 
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