HS Precision products for Rem 700 worth price?

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SEHunter

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Was out to get a Savage Axis package deal in .270 for my bad weather deer rifle. Ended up getting a Remington 700 ADL with a synthetic stock and 24" barrel inn.270. I didn't even realize the ADL was still in stores. Anyway, I'm considering giving it the same treatment I gave a Rem 700 SPS varmint in 22-250. That is an HS Precision stock and bottom metal.

My delima is being this gun is an ADL, do I just get the HS Precision ADL stock or the BDL with the HS bottom metal with detachable magazine? Remington says they do not endorse converting an ADL to detachable mag config but HS Precision says it will work with minor filing of the stock.

I like the idea of a detachable mag but besides the convenience, I can't justify the additional $300 for the bottom metal. I'm also assuming the stock work is minor and easy. Any thoughts?
 
Wow, how'd I miss that? Ok, well what is the general concensus for the best alternative for a stock?

Also curious what your guys opinion is on investing in a BDL stock and matching bottom metal vs. staying with the ADL stock and loading/unloading the slow way? Does any other company other than HS offer a BDL compatible detachable magazine set up?
 
If you're gonna convert to BDL look at the B&C Medalist. It is about $100 cheaper than HS and every bit as good. They just don't have as many options. I wouldn't fool with DBM.

I've owned most of them including B&C, Hogue, HS, Brown Precision, High Tech Specialties, and McMillan.

I'd save my money until I could afford a McMillan and keep it ADL. It takes about 3 seconds longer to unload and no more time to load. Having a blind magazine has several advantages and I'd just as soon have one as a floor plate.

A standard weight McMillan is about $500, the ultra-light Edge versions for $600 and used stocks pop up at good prices if you pay attention. I paid $400 for this ADL Edge used. The rifle is just a hair over 7 lbs as pictured. Well worth the extra expense.

 
I have a Bell&Carlson stock on my Remington Longe Range rifle, just a couple of weeks old. I really like the stock, it has the same aluminum bedding block as what H&S runs, and the stock is not quite as smooth as the H&S which I prefer. Plus it has the higher comb which fits my face much better. I have the M40 style.
 
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Ok guys. thanks for the recommendation for the B&C. Do you guys know the difference between the Medalist and Alaskan II? Im looking for just the OEM style/appearance.

Jmr40, I've heard before about what you mentioned on the ADL blind magazine type having benefits vs a DBM or hinged floor plate design. Can you elaborate on what you were talking about?
 
Lon Horiuchi was following the special rules of engagement for that call out. I do not fault him, I fault those higher up the food chain than he was.
 
"I personally do net see the need for DBM on a bolt rifle"

There's no need per say but then again there was no need for me to buy this rifle lol. I read that a blind mag stock can be more rigid and resist flex/twist but with quality composite stocks with an aluminum chassis, this may be a moot point. I have nothing to support or deny that claim with.
 
SE Hunter, if ya wanna make it a belt fed weapon, go for what you want!;)

I don't know about any scientific studies relating to the relative strengths of well done stocks with blind magazines vs detachable or intregal styles with a hinged floor plate. I would think a stiffer action would be had if there were no cut out for any sort of magazine, but then you are at a single shot.

What I have found out is that a quality constructed synthetic stock does very well in varying humidities, temperatures and altitudes. I also attribute that to the bedding block and a properly torqued action, using the same amount of foot pounds every time with the same wrench, I can remove the action from the stock and reinstall it without significant loss of zero. Maybe a half inch at 100 yards at most. If you shoot long range, that is additive, but for my use, insignificant.
 
I gave it alot of thought and ended up going with a DBM setup. I set up a REM SPS 22-250 varmint rig the same way and just really like it. I'll bed the recoil lug like the 22-250, torque it down and be done. This setup turned that gun from 1.5" MOA to a laser beam with hand loads.
 
Another vote for B&C . I have two Tac A5's on both my R700 .308 , and my R700 .300WM . Very happy with the B&C's overall. Great value, good fit (I did have to do some minor sanding to get a "perfect" fit around the bolt handles and to have 100% of a free floated barrel clearance.

My R700 .300WM:




My R700 in .308:

 
I researched the B&C and it seems to be a great product based on feedback from all sources. Heck, they've been making aftermarket stocks for as long as I've collected shooting and reloading magazines/manuals. That said, I still decided to get another HS stock with their bottom metal DBM. I had such a positive experience with the same furniture on my other 700 and just stuck with what I knew.

As for the controversy surrounding their product spokesman, I wasn't aware of it until recently but I don't equate that in itself to HSP advocating illegal or immoral actions or behavior. That situation was horrific in its outcome but if the hearts and minds of all people that own and/or operate all the companies that supply or manufacture the products we consume were displayed on our TV screens, this example would probably be surpassed by many in disgust. Jmo.
 
I apologize for my previous snarkyness, it definitely was not adding anything to the thread (short of the snarkyness itself:rolleyes:). On another note, a belt-fed bolt action has me thinking. I wonder how the (B)ATF(E) would look at that...
Added: B+C varmint for my 700/308
 
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No apology needed. Your comment was direct (refreshing sometimes in an age of tip toe political correctness) but valid. It was basically the same thing I was thinking on one spectrum while trying to decide the route I wanted to take. A DBM on a hunting bolt gun has little to no practicality value I would say but there's this inconvenient obsession I have for optional features when it comes to my hobbies and toys. The pocket book doesn't appreciate that character flaw of mine the majority of the time.
 
Another great example of that is whether I'll bed the recoil lug or just drop the barreled action in the stock that has an aluminum bedding block. I actually started a thread on it a couple years ago when I was going through the same process with the 22-250 I mentioned earlier.

I don't know if the HS stock's aluminum bedding block is classified as a "V block" because with the naked eye, it appears to have a cylindrical profile but it did leave two lines on the bottom of the action about 45 degrees apart from each other. I still roughed up the top surface of the front block and placed a film of Devcon plastic steel there when I bedded the recoil lug. I actually drilled shallow dimples in it with a 1/16" drill bit in the attempt to help the Devcon adhere better. That would probably offend the stock maker but I can't leave well enough alone. I just wonder if they do a literal "drop in" with the stocks on the $3,500 custom rifles they sell on their web site.

All I can say about it now is when I ordered everything through Brownells, I also ordered a jar of Devcon with it. I don't think bedding the top is necessary at all if it's a v-block but I don't think it ever hurts to bed the recoil lug.
 
While the H&S and B&C stocks have the aluminum bedding block, and both make line contact with the receiver, I do like the idea of Devcon bedding in addition as additional support.
Especially around the recoil lug and tang. With the cylindrical shape of the receiver, the lug and the tang are the only two areas which resist rotation as the weapon is fired, which I would think put additional stress on the action bolts.
 
I'll be doing some bedding but will wait until I get the barreled action set in place before I decide how far to go. Just want to see how much rocking I feel in each direction even though I realize if none or little is felt, that still doesn't mean the action won't have any binding or stress once torqued. I may end up bedding the lug and skim bedding the block surfaces. I always question how much to tighten the action screws during the curing stage. Guess experience is the best way to get a good feel for it.

Before I found out there was a 100% recall due to the trigger assembly, I was close to buying the new Winchester XPR as my bad weather hunting rifle but my LGS had sent all of them back at Winchesters request. If I read the specs correctly, the bottom of the receiver was flat. I always wondered why most are cylindrical. They say it's not the aftermarket stock's aluminum bedding block that requires the need for bedding but the actions due to being heat treated after lathed. It's common that this warps the action to some degree.
 
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