How to unregister guns in NJ?

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FUD

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In NJ all legally owned guns are registered with the state whether they are purchased from a gun dealer or in a private sale. Prior to a sale being made, an individual has to obtain a police issued purchase permit. The procedures for getting one differ from town to town and can take anywhere from a couple of weeks to over a year to obtain.

The purchase permit comes in four parts and acts as a means to register the gun after the sale. One part is kept by the buyer as proof that the gun is legally owned. Another one is kept by the seller as proof that the gun is no longer in his possession. A third part is sent back to the issuing police department and the fourth part is sent in to the state as a means to register the firearm.

Now here's the question: When I lived in NJ, I purchased a few firearms and as a result, they are now registered with the state. About a year ago I moved down here to the southern Florida swamps where none of this stuff exists and I obviously brought my guns with me. If one of these NJ guns is lost, stolen, sold, destroyed, etc., it will still be legally registered to me.

I contacted the NJ state police to inquiry about this and they told me that in order to get my name un-associated with a gun, another purchase permit from another person must be received by them for that gun.

This doesn't seem right to me but maybe it is -- what do I know? Does anyone have any additional info on this?

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FUD
 
So if you gun is eaten by a gator, it is still registered to you??? How about if it is Destroyed in a fire??

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Dead [Black Ops]
 
I thought those were all reported lost in that boating accident you had.

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Sam I am, grn egs n packin

Nikita Khrushchev predicted confidently in a speech in Bucharest, Rumania on June 19, 1962 that: " The United States will eventually fly the Communist Red Flag...the American people will hoist it themselves."
 
NJ has no jurisdiction in FLA.

You could sell them there an there is nothing they can do about it, though they may try.

Consider yourself exiled from the Garden State. Lucky Devil.

Rick

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"Congress have no power to disarm the militia. Their swords, and every other terrible implement of the soldier, are the birth-right of an American." Tench Coxe 2/20/1788
 
As with any private firearm sale, you would be well advised to have the person you are selling to give you their name and address in their handwriting. Whether that name and address is fictitious or not is up to the buyer but at least you have something to show the police should they ever trace the gun back to you.
 
I never realized New Jersey was so anti-gun.

What do they do back in New Jersey, if while visting relatives in Florida, Texas, or any other non-facist state, you are given a gun as a gift? How about if a gun owner moves to New Jersey?

Are you supposed to retro-actively get a purchase permit?

How long have these purchase permit, register laws been on the books up there? Were the RKBA guys asleep at the wheel when this/these laws were passed?
 
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by rrent: ... How about if a gun owner moves to New Jersey? Are you supposed to retro-actively get a purchase permit?Yes, otherwise if discovered, it is considered to be an "illegal" firearm.

How long have these purchase permit, register laws been on the books up there? Don't know when all of this started, but when I bought my first handgun in 1981, these laws were already on the books.[/quote]
 
Jersey is VERY anti-gun. My state (PA) is surrounded by Commi's. We need immediate backup! New York, New Jersey, Maryland... 911 911 911 errr 1911 ;)

I'm glad I live in PA. I'd go nuts living in an anti-gun state.
 
O.K., New Jersey is a fascist state, you have me convinced.
The important thing is: Can they imprison honest men and women based on these laws? Has any one ever been successuly prosecuted under thse laws, say for giving a gun to a son or daughter, loosing it, moving to another state and observing its more liberal laws, etc., etc.?
It seems to me that there would be all kinds of practical, constitutional and poltilical problems involved in trying to enforce such nightmarious monstrousities.
Many stupid laws are never enforced. Are these laws enforced?
 
Well ALL guns are BANNED in NJ, the only way one can be "legally" owned is if you have a "FireArms ID Card". Even having Hollow points ammo is illegal. If you Use Hollow points to defend yourself in your OWN home, you can be charged with using excessive force! The list goes on and on, NJ sucks!

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Dead [Black Ops]
 
I've heard stories of Texas Peace Officers going to New Jersey to pick up critters, and being ordered to lock their sidearms and shotguns in the trunk of their cruisers until they left New Jersey.

One of those places where I ain't ever lost anything, so there ain't no need to go there.

LawDog
 
Cant tell if your commie state or mine is worse. They both suck!!!

CR SAM, Those damn boats are a harzard to us gun owners, or should I say former owners because of all the guns lost at sea, I wish I could get them back, but oh well, maybe I'll take up watching all the media people enlighten me.
 
Heck I sold all of my guns a few months ago to people who have recently died and showed up in the newspapers.



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The debate is not about guns,
but rather who has the ultimate power to rule,
the People or Government.
RKBA!
 
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Dead: ... the only way one can be "legally" owned is if you have a "FireArms ID Card" ... Even having Hollow points ammo is illegal ...[/quote]This is getting a little off topic here for the original starting point but what the heck ...

I went to buy my first handgun in NJ. I applied for a purchase permit at my local police station. I had to go during normal business hours which meant that I had to take half a day off from work since I did not live in my home town -- factoring an hour drive each way plus about an hour to take care of things added up to half a day.

After filling out the application, I was told I had to come back to be fingerprinted so that a check could be done with the FBI. I offered to have it done right then and there in order to save time and lose another half day from work but was told that my application first had to be "reviewed".

Took another half day off from work and went to be fingerprinted and was told that I would hear back from them. After about a month, I was informed that I needed to be fingerprinted so that a check could be done against the state mental hospitals. When I told them that I was already fingerprinted, they informed me that they don't keep the originals. All together, I had to go in four seperate times to be fingerprinted and I had to take time off from work each time.

They wouldn't do all four prints at once just in case one of them came back as denied because it would have been a waste of their time. Of course, the fact that I had to keep coming in and losing time from work was okay.

After the prints were done, I was told that I had to bring in two references who would vouch for my character. So now, not only did I have to lose time from work but I now had to get two of my friends to take time off from work as well.

After several months, everything was all said and done, I was finally issued a Purchase Permit which was good for 6 months (originally 3 months but could be extended for another 3 months) would allow me to buy one gun. I went to the store to buy a gun and was asked to show my FireArms ID Card. Didn't have one. Never even heard of one.

Went back to the police station to apply for one. After filling out the application, was told to come back to be fingerprinted. You guessed it -- the same procedure all over again. Four sets of prints over the course a couple of months, bringing in references, etc. After several months, I was issued my FireArms ID Card.

However, by this time, my purcahse permit had already expired. Guess what? The procedure starts all over again. Form the time that I first applied to the time that I was finally able to buy my gun was close to two years.

With regard to hollowpoint ammo, NJ must have the most insane laws on the books. I was at a gun range and before leaving, I decided to buy some cleaning supplies and a couple of boxes of ammo -- hollowpoints. I was at the cash register paying for all of this stuff and there was a uniformed police offier by the door doing guard duty.

After paying for the ammo but before even picking up the bag, the LEO walks over to me and says that it is illegal to be in possession of hollowpoints and if I walk out the door, he'll have to arrest me -- fines are $1000 per bullet (with 100 bullets that would have come out to $100,000.oo) plus jail time.

I look at him all confused and say something to the effect that he just saw me buy them, he says that he knows and that's why he's telling me. So, I say, if they are illegal, why are they being sold here? He responds that it is legal to sell them and buy them but not to own them.
 
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by rrent:

How long have these purchase permit, register laws been on the books up there? Were the RKBA guys asleep at the wheel when this/these laws were passed?
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No, we were not asleep, just vastly outnumbered! I don't know exactly when purchase permits started, but they've been around since at least the '70s. Jersey passed their assault weapon ban, under Jim Florio in '92, a couple years before Brady. We voted Florio out of office in '93, and replaced him with Whitman, since she promised to overturn the assault weapon ban. We also gave her a Republican House & Senate. Of course she stabbed us all in the back by refusing to follow through on her promise, and even proposed further firearm restrictions. Just another example of the typical Republican liar and traitor! Too bad so many other Republican Governors are following her example.

Jersey may be bad, but it's not as bad as Kalifornia. Our handguns are registered, but we can still own unregistered, post-ban ARs and AK-47s (as long as the AK-47 is a Norinco MAK90).

But, I would still advise all gun owners to steer clear of this state.
 
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by FUD:

However, by this time, my purcahse permit had already expired. Guess what? The procedure starts all over again. Form the time that I first applied to the time that I was finally able to buy my gun was close to two years.
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Well FUD, I hear horror stories like yours all the time. Here's one that will probably shock many Jersey gun owners.

Back in the late 70's, as soon as I turned 18, I walked into my local police station, and asked for a pistol permit. The local Chief, while smiling ear to ear, patted me on the back, and escorted me to his office. He walked me through the forms, and even called an officer in off of patrol to do the finger prints. Two weeks later I had my FID and Pistol Purchase Permit. Within a month of my 18th birthday, I had a Marlin 1894, Marlin 39A, Mossberg 500, and AMT .380 Backup (and I didn't even have an urge to perform a school massacre - maybe guns weren't so evil back then).

I still live in that same Jersey town, and the local police are still pretty much gun friendly (even though most surrounding towns are very anti-gun). Since Pistol Purchase Permits are only $2, I usually apply for 3 or 4 at a time. That way, I always have one available when I need one. Then again, from what I hear, I may very well live in the last gun friendly town in the entire state. I too will be heading south in the not so distant future.
 
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by FUD:
This is getting a little off topic here for the original starting point but what the heck ....
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Wow. I'm stunned.
 
FUD, you lived in a baaaad town, if that's the way they treated you. My references just had to answer a questionaire. The FID card took twice as long as it's (by law) supposed to, but who do you complain to ?

To clarify, if you move here with long guns, you do need to obtain an FID, but do not need to register them. You would need to show the FID to buy a long gun, but would not need to register. Handguns are a whole nother deal, that I haven't had the pleasure of experience yet.
 
RH: Irvington, New Jersey over in Essex county (exit 145 off the Garden State Parkway) -- the largest town (not city, or township, or borough, or village; but the largest town) in America. When I moved to Middlesex borough over in Middlesex county, my references were mailed some questions which they had to answer & return and they did all of the fingerprints all at once but the first couple of guns that I bought while living in Irvington were a pain to get.

[This message has been edited by FUD (edited August 18, 2000).]
 
Fud:

If you sell a gun, get the buyer's driver's license and copy it. If a gun is lost or stolen, perish the thought, contact the local police and the BATF.

Aside from this, you are in the South. Don't worry, be happy. Those in power in NJ may be arrogant and overbearing up there but their crap does'nt hold water in Dixie.

You will start to see secession again in the South before you see any further harsh restrcitions on guns.I get that from a State Legislator not the Net.

I know you are probably aware of what to do if a gun is gone but I wanted to repeat it anyway. I admire you for getting away from those despots in NJ and it is enthusing to read your posts and know that you are enjoying your new-found freedom in Florida to the fullest extent possible.

Guys like you are an inspiration. The others from the North who come down and bad-mouth our traditions get it with both verbal barrels from me in any social setting I might encounter.

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[This message has been edited by Will Beararms (edited August 18, 2000).]
 
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