How To Find Black Rifle?

First you need to figure out what your goals are as well as what appeals to you.

Lots of rails to hang stuff on, or Coyte hunters that have some rail stuff, but better hand guards and stocks?

Real short like 14 inch with a flash hider to be legal or 22 inch varmint hunter (and target/match shooting?)

If not sure, then you need to be sure you go with something that is max capable.

In other words, if you just want to shoot, an awful lot of ARs do that fine (actualy most from any decent mfg and there are lists of those)

If you want to target shoot then you need to be sure you get one of the accurate ones. A lot of ARs made are accurate, but its a crap shoot. A lot of them do ok but are not target capable.

RRA and DPMs have statements to their accuracy in the mid cost rifles.

Noveske and LeRue for the real serious ones that want very accurate barrels (they do not make guarantees but they are really good)

I like RRAs line and you can pick whichever model suits you from the serious combat tactical type like the Elite Operators series to the Varmint/Hunter group with a 3/4 MOA accuracy guarantee.

Mostly just start reading, join a dedicated AR forum and it will come to you.
 
Ever heard of the "U.N. Small Arms Treaty" proposal? Hillary and Barry are all for it.
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Yeah, I'm sure everybody with an NRA membership has seen the immediate threat of that bill for the past 3+ years.

It's not going to happen.
 
An assualt rifle has the ability of shooting fully automatic. What is sold in the stores are not assault rifles. And the term "black rifles" is only used by the media, libs, and the left....are you one of them, seeking information on new ways to ban them? You have enough posts to not be that uneducated and if you are on this site, then you must be on others. And yet, Colt Sig and SW are the only brands you know?

http://thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3523560#post3523560

http://thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?p=4471368#post4471368

http://thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?p=4998460#post4998460

http://thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3725256#post3725256

And who knows how many other times you posted on other forums. Seems you have been asking about AR15s (not "black rifles") or looking since 2009 and maybe even earlier. So heres my question. Do you forget a lot and do poorly in school? or are you just someone looking for new ways to add new firearm laws?
 
So I just put one in my hands. It was a ruger with a long barrel. I like the idea of a foregrip, but I haven't held one yet. We will see as time progresses. I want a durable gun though. That is certainly a must. I don't want a gun that can't handle a 300 round range day (Range being IDEAL conditions for a rifle) every month or so. I also want to be able to drop the gun and it work fine (not that I would drop it...but I don't want a princess gun).

The function of the rifle is a self defense weapon for sure.
 
have you looked at ar15.com?

i put together my 1st black rifle during the holidays, with all the sales going on, at first i was gonna do a $650 budget di build, but got a great deal on a piston upper so ended up doing a $900 budget piston build.

Palmetto State Armory has many offerings for AR parts and kits. many arfcom members get their parts from PSA.

223 dimension are about the same as 556, but 556 is higher pressure and higher velocity.
 
I suggest buying a complete rifle from one of the big 5. (Colt/Bushmaster/RRA/Stag/DPMS) (Arguably the big 5, sorry if I left your brand out, not tryin to start a brand war),
I think that the 20" barrel, full stocked version is the best rifle for private use. The 5.56/223 needs all the velocity it can get so the 20" is best. Plus, its increased sight radius makes it easier to shoot at distance than shorter models (with irons).

It is a good rifle to learn on and use for HD. Don't buy one with too fast of a twist. 1-9" is the fastest you want to go because for self defense you want to be able to shoot Military surplus ammo so get the 1-9" twist bbl. Look at the Bushmaster XM15e2s rifles. They are a good entry level AR.
 
Skavatar is technically correct about the .223 vs. 5.56 differences but since Stonewall is not reloading its an academic point.

I agree with Edward that Stonewall should buy a rifle ready to go not try to build one. I also I agree that a 20" barrel is better than a standard 18" but those are tough/impossible to find in a ready build rifle, so that is also an academic point.

Let's not overwhelm Stonewall with a lot of technical trivia like twist ratio and ammo case differences, he's just starting out. Help him focus on the main things like piston or gas. Personally I prefer a 12 gauge for home defense, but to save money I can see combining a fun gun and home defense gun in one package.
 
1-9" is the fastest you want to go because for self defense you want to be able to shoot Military surplus ammo so get the 1-9" twist bbl
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Not entirely correct. A 1/7 twist will stabilize any length bullet that will fit in the magazine. The 1/9 is the one that might have problems with the longer projectiles depending on how close to 1/9 it really is. For best results in "defensive" shooting you are going to want to use "heavier" bullets, not lighter so a 1/7 is a better choice.

standard 18"
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The "standard" for rifle length is 20" for carbine it is 14.5" Military / 16" for civilians with out a perm applied flash hider/muzzle brake.

Having owned both full length and carbine length. I prefer the carbine length and an adjustable stock. Particularly if it is going to be used for anything other than shooting from a bench or prone.

Unless you are going retro and doing a Vietnam era style full sized rifle. Those are nice and lightweight and very handy with a lightweight profile barrel and a short butt stock.
 
I don't know if I want an AK, but I never ruled it out you are right. No gun is off the list. All that matters is that it meets the reliability standards, it is an accurate gun, and is easy to maintain.

Correct me if I am wrong, but isn't an AK a Gas piston lol?
 
Not entirely correct. A 1/7 twist will stabilize any length bullet that will fit in the magazine. The 1/9 is the one that might have problems with the longer projectiles depending on how close to 1/9 it really is. For best results in "defensive" shooting you are going to want to use "heavier" bullets, not lighter so a 1/7 is a better choice.
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We might be talking about rifles for different intended missions. I'm not expecting or asking my 1-9" AR to shoot any bullets heavier than mayyybe 69 grs. Mostly 55 & 62 grs for general purpose use. To me, a 1-7 AR is a special purpose rifle, capable of long range efficiency and maximum stopping power for sure, but at 30 cents a pop for bullets, and twisted too fast for any run of the mill ammo that he may encounter, is it really a good choice for a first AR?

I'm lucky, I have a 1-9" AR and a 1-7" Mini-14, so I have it covered if I ever bring myself to pay 30 cents apeice for those 77's. I'm sure I could keep someone off of me with 55 or 62 gr surplus bullets, I just wont be doing it at 600 yards.:D
 
You are correct the AK is a piston rifle, but I can safely say that accuracy is not associated with any AK 47. Most shooters would be hard pressed to hit an 18" target at 50 yards.

At the range I've occasionally seen someone bring out an AK and brag about the great price the got it for and then watch their pride melt as they realize they've been taken for a ride. A rifle that can't hit a target is not a bargain even if you got it for $400.

By the way Bart Noir suggestion that you get the book he suggested is a very good one. $20 is a small price to pay. I had suggested magazine subscriptions but the book is cheaper and more comprehensive.
 
Are there any particular rifles I might want to take a look at that are not ARs? I have heard of Sig Sauer has something like a 552 or 556 or some random number? Does anyone know anything about these rifles?

I actually saw a G3 for sale at a gun shop in tallahassee. Is anyone familiar with these? I am sure parts would be very difficult to find, not to mention the caliber is high, but I don't really object to the idea of smaller version.
 
The AK wasn't designed to punch pretty holes. It was designed to punch ugly holes everytime you pull the trigger.

An AK74 shooting the 5.45 x 39 will get better accuracy (2-3 inch groups instead of 4-6) at 100 yards. But the thing was not designed to be accurate.
 
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