How the AR pistol is changing

I call it the Lego of the gun world

and my classmate put it better: Barbie Dolls for men. I suppose the 22 LR is the only one you can have that doesn't need a buffer tube. One like that could be made into a modern Broomhandle.
 
Can one actually use the sights on those pistols
to any degree of accuracy?
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A full sized M-16a1 recoils so little that shouldering them is not really necessary* ...... it would help as far as accuracy/stability, true ..... but the gun won't fly back and whack you, either. I don't have any experience with the pistols, but I can't imagine them being a whole lot worse.

*to demonstrate this at the beginning of the BRM block of basic training at Ft. Sill back in the 1980's the DI's would have demonstrators rip off full auto mag dumps with the gun's stock on the guy's crotch, face, stomach, etc.
 
Can one actually use the sights on those pistols
to any degree of accuracy?
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If you are talking about the GI type peepsights, and holding the gun the way one normally holds a handgun (at arms length) the answer is effectively, NO.

First off, let me say that my opinions about the AR pistol (and any of the other "handguns" that are essentially a chopped rifle or SMG design) have NOTHING to do with our right to own what we want, like, or enjoy.

I've had, or had shooting experience with a number of these kinds of pistols (although I will admit, not the AR pistol specifically), and I've done my share of "one handing" the M16.

Cobray (Mac), Tec-9, Uzi, HK, Tommygun, AR, AK, and all the others in this general group of handguns are all less efficient for practical purposes than other designs. Where they excel is giving us the enjoyment of owning them, as the closest thing to their design ancestors as allowed under US law.

I was thinking of discussing the details here, but I think that question deserves its own thread.
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Question: I haven't handled or shot any AR pistols, but can you push the gun out against sling pressure for "normal rifle" sight alignment (rather than pulling a stock to your shoulder)? With the low recoil, it seems that would work - although it'd be more tiring for extended use since it's a different muscle set than normally used.

A few of the photos in the link have single point slings - would a two-point sling attachment allow an even more stable push and brace for sight alignment?

I ask cause I have a lower to build out and am considering a pistol build.
 
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if you look at the last page of that thread. 169 I think. a couple pics down is a strange grip, ooks like a standard vert grip, just angled. apparently called a "Stark SE-5". s this still legal on a pistol(w/o AOW), as the magpul AFG is? they look pretty handy

http://shop.starkequipment.com/product.sc?productId=13
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Angles forward grips like this and the one from Magpul along with bipods are ok. Pistols grips are going to require a $200 tax stamp
 
The BATFE has said the Magpul AFG (by NAME) is good to go. Any other brand is a grey area.

The letters that BATFE write are good only on the specific item in the letter.

Also the one pictured would allow a person to grasp the AFG by itself. Not the forend tube as a whole. That alone would put question about the purpose VS. The Magpul version.
 
I have iron sights on my Ar15 pistol, but i dont use them. IMO they are not for accuracy. I put a green laser on the rail and works great fired from waist high. I have no real need for the ar pistol, I bought it because I could, hind sight I should have saved the money for something useful like a colt python. :D
 
AFG magpul, by name, like he said are legal. that is why I was wondering about the one I showed, I have never seen it by name, on a pistol or anything. just because it is angled, I don't thin makes it legal w/o having the atf overlook it. I dunno, I was just curious because I like it
 
I have a Carbon-15. I can use the sights on my pistol for a good bit of accuracy.....if I am firing it slowly. It takes me a bit to get it back on target. I use the magwell as a forward pistol grip to shoot it two-handed.

However if I'm wacking the trigger as fast as i can, I'm spraying lead everywhere.
 
Here is my first AR Pistol I made in 2000... RRA 2 state lower, Bushie upper, DPMS bolt, Smith Ent, break. and Gun Smoke gent 1 buffer. I runs like a sewing machine.
 

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I understand that an AR pistol is probably great fun to shoot. Aside from that....range toy.....I do not see them as very efficient for any purpose other than burning up ammo. (And there is nothing wrong with that)....
 
I saw a ad from Rock River Arms showing a AR Pistol with piston system and no buffer tube . The return spring must be in the forarm . Nice but Im sure $$$ . Its called the PDS Pistol .
 
Yes,psalm.RRA sent me a catalogue,its in there.

I believe it is also a unique lower,the whole pkg is necessary.

If you register as an NSA item,they also have a side swing folding stock.
 
Re these "AR-15 pistols", I find myself curious re the following aspects.

1.What is the overall length of a typical example.
2.What is the overall height of a typical example.
3. What is the weight of a typical example.

Thanks.

Alan
 
alan - there is no standard but my teacher told me 10.5" barrel seems to be optimal for a pistol. I forgot what size gas port hole he recommended.
 
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