How much do hi-caps matter?

The hi-cap ban was an insult to all of us and our Forefathers. Sadly, I don't think there's anything we can do about it. I bought a USP45 when they first came out and put approx. 5,000 rds. through it before I traded it (damn). All I had was the factory 10 rounders. Believe me, I always felt well armed. To me, the BAN is a political thing, not a tactical problem. All the nice new pistols that come out from year to year will be 10 rounders anyway. If there was a new pistol on the market that I liked, capacity wouldn't be a factor. Just my thoughts, J. Parker
 
This is onlly MY opinion; and I am certain others feel differently.I resent the restriction. I would enjoy the hi-caps as another aspect of handgunning. I will NOT allow myself to feel inadequate without them. THAT is a damgerous mindset.
Imagine of you were allowed to purchase a car with only crank windows; power windows were deemed dangerous and unnecessary. Same inconvenience. Another example of government meddling in our personal lives and marketplace. What to do? Time will tell.

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MAP thanks for the correction.

Who here at TFL said we gotta stop referring to these as "hi-caps" and start referring to 'em as "standard caps"? I think whoever it was, was right. Don't play the politically correct word games. These pistols were designed for "standard caps" and Clinton passed the crazy "reduced cap" bill.
 
.357SIG: Nope, they're compact. 13 round 9mm mags, with "9x19C HK" stamped on them. Got the floorplate with the finger rest. They made some non-LEO hi-caps for the full sized 9, .40, and .45, as well as the compact 9, but not for the .40 (the compact .45 is 8 rounds).

I also have 16 round hi-caps for the 9mm Walther P99 which I believe came out after the ban. Apparently, they made the mags in advance anticipating the ban. Good for them!
 
WHAT??? Are you kidding? Hi-caps are dangerous to you and the public. These are designed for warfare and should NOT fall into the wrong hands. You cannot mention the term "hi-caps" or standard mags for the feds will be knocking.

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By the way, my goddam WALTHER P-99 comes with a 10 round naturally. With these pistols though, they are made to carry 13 plus one. The ****** mag has a solid plastic bottom (about 3 rounds) just to take up space.

I'm glad because I would be much dangerous if I could carry 13 rounds rather than 10. The standard mag should only be used in war.

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"Firearms make you feel as if the whole world is in a bubble of glass and you are rubbing up against it like a bad windshield wiper"
 
re: CFR's post

"It also gives me heartburn that I recently had a conversation with a PA local police officer who believes it is illegal for anyone other than a police officer to load more than 13 rounds in ANY magazine in this state. "

I LOVE IT.... I thought ignorance of the law was no excuse. What a bozo. Arrest me please! I'd sue for false arrest, and anything else I can think of, and that wanker will be working a school crosswalk for years, the putz.
 
If I am torn between two guns, high-caps can be the deciding factor. Let's not forget though that you can just double up on the amount of 10 rounders that you carry. :-)
 
Mag capacity is about the last thing I consider. If you need more than 6 to 8 rounds to solve the problem, you probably need a lot of help in the form of rifle/shotgun armed backup....and a very good life insurance policy.

"Why do you need so much ammo? Are you planning on missing a lot? You can't miss fast enough to win a gunfight!"

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Shoot straight & make big holes, regards, Richard at The Shottist's Center

[This message has been edited by 45King (edited September 28, 2000).]
 
You are confused...it's not about need. Thats falling into the same anti-gun claptrap as saying you don't need a semiauto gun.
 
Mr. Blonde: It appears that I have taken on the self-proclaimed title of "hi/standard cap guru". I hope I'm not giving any false advice. The Walther P99 hi caps (actually made under contract my MecGar) hold 16 rounds in 9mm, and 12 rounds in .40. Add one in the pipe to that number. You can still get them, but they run between 80 and 100 bucks. Outrageous since the cost of them is only a few bucks. The biggest effect the hi-cap ban seems to have had is to drive up the values of dealer's stock of clips.
 
I really think that those folks who want a lot of ammo have seen too many movies. Very rarely (like never) does a civilian or even a cop get into a Hollywood style shootout with a heavily armed gang of two or three hundred criminals. Let's be realistic. Anyone who can't take out a street punk or an intruder with 10 rounds had better throw the gun away and depend on prayer and fasting.

Jim
 
I have half a dozen hicaps for my Ruger P95, but that was a no-brainer since the pre-ban USA Mag hicaps were on sale for $10 each. IMHO 15+1 ought to be enough to disengage from a street encounter. Where the hicaps may come in handy is in a home invasion scenario, where you have a posse of BGs coming in the door. 15 rounds = one Mozambique each for 5 BGs.

OTOH I would not pay the $80 - 100 asked at gun shows for some of the rare hicaps.I can but 4 10-rounders for the price of one Glock hicap.
 
Then Jim, I say if you can't take out a street punk or an intruder with 5 rounds you had better throw the gun away and depend on prayer and fasting. So please turn in all your mags that hold more than 5 rounds. No wait, you really should be able to get by with 2 rounds, no, make that 1 round... :rolleyes:
 
I prefer single stack 1911s- so I don't have a problem, per se. I have owned high capacity pistols, and still do.

But I find myself smirking at plugged magazines, and steer away from them.

It has to do with efficiency and principle, to me.

I wouldn't buy a Corvette electronically limited to 75mph, either.
 
The average number of rounds expended in a shooting involving a citizen versus a BG is 3 or 4, last time I looked, so I would say that having 13, 15, or 17 in my Glock would be a LOT more than I need. I've been shooting a lot of IDPA lately anyway, and feel quite certain that I won't need any more than 2 per BG involved if it ever comes to it.

And since someone brought up the DemocRATS on this matter, I would like to point out that GWB has promised that he will sign the ban on magazines and "assault weapons" again in 2003 when it sunsets, and George Allen, Republican candidate for the Senate from here in Virginia, has promised to vote in favor of both as well. It's not simply about party affiliation, nor has it ever been. We aren't going to see those bans go away any time soon, so hang on to the "gold" that you have, or at least get good value for them if you sell or trade them.
 
Whether or not you've got hi-caps for your firearm, to me anyway, is a decision that gets a lot less important after you already have a weapon or two that has hi-caps.

The decision on whether or not to carry a hi-cap is alot like the decision on which caliber to carry that day, or whether to carry a plastic frame or steel, or whether to carry a revolver or an automatic, or compact or full size. It's just another tool in the tool box and you take the right one out for the job at hand.

Once you've got a couple reliable pistols that have hi-caps, the urgency to buy more is reduced. They certainly don't add a lot to my 'shooting range' experience--not enough to justify their high cost. They weigh more, they're more likely to get you in trouble with a bleeding heart jury, etc.

Having said all that, if you don't own a single one, you ought to get one or two. Like I said, it's another tool to put in the tool box. If you don't have a couple, there's surely going to come a job that requires one and you're going to feel bad that you don't have one...

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>I really think that those folks who want a lot of ammo have seen too many movies.[/quote]
Ever spend a weekend in a desert full of coyotes, snakes, and other assorted wild animals? I'd rather have 46 rounds with the mag in my pistol and two on my belt than have 31 with the same configuration. Or, there are times when you don't feel like carrying an extra mag but you will be out all day. If I feel like popping a few rounds at a varmint, I don't want to worry about having enough left for self defense.
 
It's sad when you think about it. Next weekend I'll report to Lesmoore NAS and will be handed the "keys" to a $60 million, 30 ton machine loaded to the gills with various explosive air to ground ordance. I will be *intrusted* to navigate my way to a bomb range somewhere and deliver some 10 tons of death and destruction onto numerous targets and return home...

But the government won't allow me to buy a hicap mag for a new pistol.

I wonder. The next time I go into combat will my issued M9 or M11 have 10 rounders?

Whats wrong with this picture?

Fast Eagle

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