If you want to learn the potential options regarding appropriate possible responses to some life threatening emergency situation, get some actual training.
Preferably from an experienced trainer who can present, frame and thoroughly explain your potential reasonable options within the law, and help you learn to develop a frame of reference for making good decisions in bad situations, without further endangering yourself, your loved ones and other innocent persons in the process.
The "What if? game", done without knowledge, training and experience, may be an enjoyable way to entertain yourself, but it's not going to be a practical substitute for actually learning what you could, and should, do under real world circumstances.
In other words, what good do you think you're achieving by engaging in 'hypothetical situations' if your training & knowledge is also hypothetical?
You might also want to try and acquire at least a working grasp and understanding of how the laws work in your area, as well.
The problem with trying to pretend you can arrive at a correct "answer" regarding practical, lawful actions and effective tactics by engaging in theorizing and guesswork, is that you don't know what you don't know. Hard to make good decisions when you don't know the how & why of deciding things.
Trying to herd people somewhere might seem laudable, but what if your actions turn out to cause people's deaths, and it could've been avoided by doing something different?
Identifying yourself as "the police" may cause you to be charged with impersonating law enforcement. In CA, misidentifying yourself as law enforcement is considered ample ground to have your CCW license revoked, even if you're not charged with the crime of impersonating a peace officer. The CA DOJ CCW application even specifically states this is a "no-no" (non-technical lay person's term
) for licensees.
Lastly, but no less importantly, being shot by anyone - "active shooter", armed robbery suspect, other CCW licensee or the local police, or any combination thereof - is still being shot. The same thing applies to your loved ones.
You don't want to take some unplanned and/or unreasonable (and untrained) action which could increase the possibility of you, and/or your loved ones (or any innocent third persons) being shot, right?
Reading books, magazine articles and browsing the internet for info and video clips may be all well and good, but if you really want to learn about these sorts of things, consider getting some actual training, from an actual trainer (with some certified training knowledge and experience in the subject matter), with some actual experience. Take it from there. Don't neglect the potential for looking into some sort of insurance coverage for your potential actions, and obtaining some actual legal advice.
LE, as a whole, have the benefit of receiving training in these things, and usually have access to some sort of legal coverage on an individual basis (like through an association, union, etc), even if their agencies possesses coverage and have legal advice available from state, county or city attorneys who can act to represent the agencies in situations involving use-of-force matters.
LE may also have a requirement to undergo periodic in-service training in many subjects (often called advanced officer training, which may required in order to meet any state certification standards every year or two).
Even so, with all that access to training and knowledge, LE can still sometimes make mistakes. Mistakes of fact and law and violating policy are difficult to defend, but notwithstanding those things, making bad decisions under stress still happens. How much more likely might making bad decisions be if someone without all that training and access to knowledge might be involved?
Chance favors the prepared mind, right? (Quote attributed to Louis Pasteur, but repeated often enough to have seemingly entered the general public consciousness. )
Just some thoughts. I know this is a tactics and training sub-forum in a popular public gun forum, and everybody enjoys a good informal discussion about such things, but remember that it's not an intended substitute for actual training. Just like it's not intended to be taken as a substitute for consulting with an actual licensed attorney at law when it comes to legal matters, right?
Preferably from an experienced trainer who can present, frame and thoroughly explain your potential reasonable options within the law, and help you learn to develop a frame of reference for making good decisions in bad situations, without further endangering yourself, your loved ones and other innocent persons in the process.
The "What if? game", done without knowledge, training and experience, may be an enjoyable way to entertain yourself, but it's not going to be a practical substitute for actually learning what you could, and should, do under real world circumstances.
In other words, what good do you think you're achieving by engaging in 'hypothetical situations' if your training & knowledge is also hypothetical?
You might also want to try and acquire at least a working grasp and understanding of how the laws work in your area, as well.
The problem with trying to pretend you can arrive at a correct "answer" regarding practical, lawful actions and effective tactics by engaging in theorizing and guesswork, is that you don't know what you don't know. Hard to make good decisions when you don't know the how & why of deciding things.
Trying to herd people somewhere might seem laudable, but what if your actions turn out to cause people's deaths, and it could've been avoided by doing something different?
Identifying yourself as "the police" may cause you to be charged with impersonating law enforcement. In CA, misidentifying yourself as law enforcement is considered ample ground to have your CCW license revoked, even if you're not charged with the crime of impersonating a peace officer. The CA DOJ CCW application even specifically states this is a "no-no" (non-technical lay person's term
) for licensees.Lastly, but no less importantly, being shot by anyone - "active shooter", armed robbery suspect, other CCW licensee or the local police, or any combination thereof - is still being shot. The same thing applies to your loved ones.
You don't want to take some unplanned and/or unreasonable (and untrained) action which could increase the possibility of you, and/or your loved ones (or any innocent third persons) being shot, right?
Reading books, magazine articles and browsing the internet for info and video clips may be all well and good, but if you really want to learn about these sorts of things, consider getting some actual training, from an actual trainer (with some certified training knowledge and experience in the subject matter), with some actual experience. Take it from there. Don't neglect the potential for looking into some sort of insurance coverage for your potential actions, and obtaining some actual legal advice.
LE, as a whole, have the benefit of receiving training in these things, and usually have access to some sort of legal coverage on an individual basis (like through an association, union, etc), even if their agencies possesses coverage and have legal advice available from state, county or city attorneys who can act to represent the agencies in situations involving use-of-force matters.
LE may also have a requirement to undergo periodic in-service training in many subjects (often called advanced officer training, which may required in order to meet any state certification standards every year or two).
Even so, with all that access to training and knowledge, LE can still sometimes make mistakes. Mistakes of fact and law and violating policy are difficult to defend, but notwithstanding those things, making bad decisions under stress still happens. How much more likely might making bad decisions be if someone without all that training and access to knowledge might be involved?
Chance favors the prepared mind, right? (Quote attributed to Louis Pasteur, but repeated often enough to have seemingly entered the general public consciousness.
)Just some thoughts. I know this is a tactics and training sub-forum in a popular public gun forum, and everybody enjoys a good informal discussion about such things, but remember that it's not an intended substitute for actual training. Just like it's not intended to be taken as a substitute for consulting with an actual licensed attorney at law when it comes to legal matters, right?