How many reload Shotguns here?

In a "big" year, I might go through 8-10 boxes of 12 ga and 2-4 boxes of 20 ga.
Given the cost of shot (shot is the killer), it really isn't worth it for me to reload for target or small game loads.

But...
I do some really 'stupid' things with shot shells - mainly "shorties". I worked up 12 ga loads to get every last bit of use out of my shells, as they're cut down to remove melted crimps or cracks. I can go as short as 1-5/8" (maybe 1-1/2"), and I recorded load data for everything between that and 2-3/4" in 1/8" increments.
You can't, exactly, go buy those 1-5/8-inchers in a store.
And, I use cleaned, screened, washed, and re-graphited reclaimed shot for those loads. So my shot only costs 30% of what new stuff runs.

It's a novelty, for sure. But they do still perform well in my shotguns.


If all I did was shoot your average "small game" load (7/8 to 1 ounce #7 to #9 at ~1,300 fps) and average target load (nearly the same thing), I wouldn't even bother keeping the press and components around.

If you buy in bulk [major emphasis on bulk]; and/or you want to tailor the loads to help a specific shotgun pattern better; and/or shoot a lot of buckshot, slug, or sabot loads; then it can be worthwhile.

But the average guy like me, that never patterns his guns, almost never shoots slugs or buckshot, and never shoots enough for it to be worthwhile anyway... we can't compete with the 'bargain' brand ammo. ...And sometimes even decent Winchester, Remington, and Federal loads. The other day, I picked up Winchester AA and Super-X loads for $5.95 / box. It would cost me $0.72 more per box to load it myself, and that doesn't include the cost of hulls!


A related sidebar:
I even put together custom shot shells for my .444 Marlins. But, even then, it isn't worthwhile to buy the components separately (I've done it, but it isn't worth it). I buy loaded .410 shells, pull them apart, and repackage what I need in the .444 cases. It's cheaper and easier. :rolleyes:
 
I guess a hold on the shotgun reloading then, just thinking in case something happens I can still make them up.



Jeff
 
You can't, exactly, go buy those 1-5/8-inchers in a store.

Sure you can; they're called Aguila Minis

I reload a hull until it splits; until then, even with cracked or missing petals, I can get the hull to close. These are good enough for fun practice.

To clarify, bulk buying is a minimum of 2 8# jugs of powder, wads by the case of 5000, primers by the sleeve of 5000 and shot by the hundredweight or ton.
Hulls are either mine form factory ammo or picked for free at the club. Reclaimed shot, while a mix of sizes, will drop your cost even further, but for trap/skeet 5-stand, it will break targets.
 
FrankenMauser said:
You can't, exactly, go buy those 1-5/8-inchers in a store.
FITASC said:
Sure you can; they're called Aguila Minis
The Aguilas are a bit longer.
And, I should have been more specific in my previous post: I'm still running 7/8 oz to 1 oz of shot. The Aguila Minishells only run 5/8 oz. You can put together handgun shotshells with more than 5/8 oz of shot.
 
I run 3/4 oz in 12 and 20 for practice; works great.

I just measured one of the Minis - it is even shorter - 1-3/8" unfired, so 1-5/8 fired should be correct
 
I can reload for $ 4.50 per box, I can buy Rio shells for $5.50 a box. So for a dollar a box, plus the cost of all the reloading equipment, it doesn't really pay.
 
Well even at a buck a box 20 boxes is 20 bucks. LOL

Might get into it next year just checking out the prospects of it, I think even though not the cheapest to do, good to have a backup to do it, if you get the drift.



Jeff
 
I bet I am not alone in purchasing our Shot Shell press with a couple good friends. We used to rotate it between us.
Then the Federal Regs required Non-Toxic Shot for Water Foul.
There was so little steel shot loads on the market and the price was obscene, so we got all the components to load our own. The components were in kit form and expensive! The best thing about steel shot, well second best was you can clean up shot spills with a magnet and the best thing to come out of it was the little rubber insert in the charge bar that made it possible to charge a hull AND makes it SO much easier on the hand to charge lead today..
I might have to get my Grandsons interested in this, there is quite a few buckets of empty hulls at the hunting shack.
 
I just measured one of the Minis - it is even shorter - 1-3/8" unfired, so 1-5/8 fired should be correct
Thanks for the info.
They advertise 1-3/4", but I've never fired one or gotten my hands on one. So, they may very well be 1-5/8", just like my "last ditch" loads.
 
I still reload some shotshells I was able to get some reclaimed shot for 25.00.
I like handloads better than the cheap Academy shells because I load target loads and keep recoil down. I also don't like the steel based shells for pump guns, it seems like they all stick in pump guns except some of the Federals. I've heard of some semis that won't shoot the Winchesters. You can load shells equiv. to AAs for a little less than you can buy them but if the cheap Academy shells work for you why bother?
 
I did forty years ago when the press cost less than a bag of groceries does now. Powder, shot,wads,and primers were cheap, and hulls were free from friends. Back then, ammo cost a fortune compared to current prices.

Right know,I think that one would have to be nominally nuts to do so in most cases. Field loads are loss leader. Hunting or specialty loads are better bought in perfect factory trim, rather than using handloads that may be inferior.

You would only benefit from a$200 press and another hundred in materials unless you plan to fire literally a thousand dollars or more on specialized shells over the next few years, and you genuinely believe that you have the skill to create the equal of whatever face Tory loads you will replace.
 
I reload target because I have low-energy to high-energy load data for light trap through to hunting* (yes, it's loadall 2 data but it's still published data), because the cost in excess of Walmart shells is worth the enjoyment it brings, and because if Walmart or the LGS is shut or has run out of what I want, then I can make it for myself.


* I am well aware that if I hunt waterfowl I will be doing it with store-bought steel because I must, but at least I can go to the trap range with heavy loads and get used to the recoil.
 
For years I would load my Trap shells in the cold winter months . It was something to do and I felt I could load a better shell at cheap shell prices .

I loaded between 20,000 & 30,000 a year and bought shot a ton at a time (at $12.00 a bag) . At that time a flat of Remington Gun Clubs cost $38.00 .

I am no longer shooting trap but at todays prices I would still reload .
 
You should be able to find a shell trimmer/cutter somewhere to make your short rounds. Wads? dunno where you'd find wads to use in micro shells, unless you could use standard plastic wads and trim them as well.

I happen to have a mec versa in 20 gauge that I'd be willing to sell if you were interested.
 
You should be able to find a shell trimmer/cutter somewhere to make your short rounds. Wads? dunno where you'd find wads to use in micro shells, unless you could use standard plastic wads and trim them as well.
I made my own trimmer out of computer case parts, scrap metal, a dowel, two hose clamps, and a chunk of 2x4. The blade is a standard razor blade, and is replaceable. (Hmmm... looks like my photos are offline. I'll have to look into that, since the trimmer is currently inaccessible.)

For my 'shorties', I use BPI wads and gas seals (BP12, slit and cut to size, and X12X, I believe).
 
I made my own trimmer out of computer case parts, scrap metal, a dowel, two hose clamps, and a chunk of 2x4. T

All of those things went into a hardware store once.
The guy at the counter said "what is this, some kind of a joke?"

Thank you very much, I'm going to be here all week. Remember to tip your waitress, she has three kids and an absentee father.
 
I don't know what happened to the images I had online, but I managed to find them on the backup HDD.

Cuts clean.
Adjustable.
Replaceable blade.
The only arguable cost was a $0.13 razor blade and maybe the hose clamps (but they were in the parts box, because I never use that style on a car, anyway...).
And I could probably even adapt it to 20 ga, by sanding down a new dowel and shimming it in the C-channel ... if I wanted to.

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