How many here are REALLY worried.....

Are you worried the Dems will make gun control their mantra?

  • Very Concerned.

    Votes: 52 51.0%

  • Somewhat Concerned, but let's wait and see.

    Votes: 36 35.3%

  • Not very concerned.

    Votes: 10 9.8%

  • No worries here.

    Votes: 4 3.9%

  • I don't really care either way.

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Total voters
    102
  • Poll closed .
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Oh, I assure you Rich, it will be an issue in 2008. And yes, I am not so idealistic that I believe they will sign anything they don't have to. The point is to make it an issue during the primaries, so they WILL have to decide to either sign one, or be defined as an anti gun candidate.

And here is how. During the primaries, suppose one candidate is very pro-2nd Amendment, and has every intention of complying with his oath to govern if elected, by the directions of the Constitution.

And he signs a specific pledge. Now, the incumbent running against the challenger in the primary, must decide if he wants eighty or ninety guys running around the county, showing other people what one guy committed to, but what their current candidate REFUSED to sign.

And it is a simple thing to ask someone walking to the polls, if the 2nd Amendment is important to them. (Guess the answer) I can tell you it is a simple thing to hand a copy of this document to an undecided voter, and gain a PROMISE to vote in favor of the guy that signed it, or more importantly, AGAINST a guy who wouldn't.

Trust me Rich. In 2008, you can bet it will be a HUGE issue. Well, don't trust me. Just trust Nancy, Chuck, Charlie, and Harry. They have promised for the last fifteen years that they will snatch your guns if given the leadership. If they are people of their word, by 2008, they will be pushing for signing the United Nations Small Arms Treaty.

(Or at least that is what THEY promised)
 
Not very at the National level for 2 years. The Dems are not going to overly rock the boat and drive away many of the people who sided with them due to Iraq and there are many Dems who are rated well by the NRA. With Bush needing to do something to save the Conservative base no anti-gun legislation is goin anywhere for two years nationally.

Now as far as STATE goes... I live in NY and we are basically up the creek without a paddle. As bad as it is it is now far worse.
 
The Dems are not going to overly rock the boat and drive away many of the people who sided with them due to Iraq and there are many Dems who are rated well by the NRA. With Bush needing to do something to save the Conservative base no anti-gun legislation is goin anywhere for two years nationally.
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Musketeer:

Guess what? Although the Democrats elected were semi conservatives, the leadership is Nancy, Chuck, Charlie, and Harry. They hold the collective scrotums of the incoming freshmen. They will do EXACTLY as told by Pelosi.

And Pelosi's MAIN purpose in life is to please the Brady campaign.

So check back in three months, and let's see. I don't think it will be much longer than three months. In fact, already Germany is threatening to put on trial, our current Secretary of Defense. Not one single word of opposition has come from a single member of this new "leadership" in the Senate or House.
And they have been in front of cameras all day long. And they are so Anti-America, they are willing to let a foreign Nation, threaten to try one of our people for a "War Crime" and at the same time, not even MENTION the Islamic Fascists cutting off the heads of innocent captives.

Surely, they could say something.

Trust me, there is no way for a leapord to change her spots. No way at all.
And Bush will do whatever necessary to be a "Uniter, not a Divider". He dropped Rumsfeld like a hot potato. And he will drop us just the same.
 
Make plans now

I still think it would be prudent to start getting whatever you want lined up and purchased, as you don't want to get into one of those gunshow feeding frenzies like just before the last two bans were put into place, and pay inflated prices for guns and mags, possibly even ammo. Maybe not today, or tomorrow, but perhaps before the first of the year, make some goodies your Christmas present to yourself. No telling what new bans or restrictions might occur, and you cannot now be sure that these things will sunset, like they have in the past. I am concerned and feel that some unpleasantries are certain to come from State or Washington. No panic, just prudence. I still have my tub of cosmoline! :p
 
Just for fun I checked several on line places for ammo, mags, etc. on Tuesday morning. Guess how many items that were in stock are now "out of stock" as of this afternoon? Worries me, yes. But warms the heart also. Just remember we don't/won't have to horde if the government gets the message LOUD AND CLEAR! So:

Remember to spend as much money on stamps, letters, and donations to GOA, NRA, CCRKBA, JPFO, etc., as you're spending on ammo and magazines folks.
 
Hammer your Senator and Congresspeople, Democrat or Republican, with tons of letters.The more you speak up directly to them, the better.
 
The Democrats will get stomped in the next election once they begin pushing gun control again, but I am still concerned about the laws they would mamage to pass in the meantime. As you know, it is extremely difficult to get a gun control law repealed once it has been passed. It is much easier to stop them from getting passed in the first place.
 
Does anyone remember what one of the major issues was that got the dems ousted in the first place? Could it have been Gun control?
 
I think I need a couple more ARs and 6000 rounds of 5.56 for Christmas. They will be presents to myself.........
 
Mum until after '08

Democrats will be absolutely mum on gun control until after the elections in 2008. Gun control issues in this election were strictly verboten in campaigning cycle! Not one Democrat (or Republican) i saw in the papers, tv, radio, or computerized phone calls even mentioned 2A or gun rights.

I think Democrats realize advocating 2A/gun rights means doom in electioneering. The current (elected) Legislature doesn't have enough backing to make any restrictive laws an easy pass. Demorcrats will remain silent on gun rights for 2 years, until they can get more members in the House and Senate and in the Executive branch.
Once they have convinced fence-sitting gun right advocates that they aren't gun banners due to no legislation in a Democratic majority Legislature between now and 2008, they will pounce when a Democratic president is elected!
Anti's are patient! Increments are their mission! Get a small majority between presidential elections because of no running on gun control. Convince voters that Dems aren't for gun control, since no new laws were introduced when they were in control of the Congress. Then, once they control both houses and the presidency in 2008, they WILL forever pass laws or sign every UN bill to abolish our 2nd Amendment!

Democrats are the elitists that believe the masses are ignorant and want/need to be led and shown that the government knows what is best for them in every aspect of their life, including personal security (regardless of the current laws that they are not).

Republicans are the elitists that beleive the masses are ignorant and want/need to be led and shown that the big businesses that employ them knows what is best for them in their financial prospects. (regardless of the elemination of promised health insurance for their workers during retirement).

Our current laws load the laws in favor of both parties (republican and democrat) in deference to third party candidates. In order to change that law, members of both parties must enact a law to give third party candidates the same benefits they rely on. (and what are the chances of that?)
 
I have to agree with Mr. Wildalaska. The lunatic D's will run like barbarians for two years, frighten the civilized folk and be brought to heel.
What occurred was the R's became arrogant and forgot what the mission is. It's unfortunate that we in PA lost Rick Santorum, but he did choose to support Spector over Pat Toomey as did the President and the NRA.
The Republican Party took a beating because its "leaders" stand for nothing. A spineless crew all.
 
RH,
Does anyone remember what one of the major issues was that got the dems ousted in the first place? Could it have been Gun control?
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Among other things. I lump "gun control" in under the heading of general disregard for the Constitution. Add to that list corruption, cronyism, hubris, disregard for the will of the people and the good of the nation....See where I'm going with this?

You have been very calm and rational about this and that's to your credit; not everybody here has.
 
Gary Conner said:
They have promised for the last fifteen years that they will snatch your guns if given the leadership.
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Source Please.

See, this is the exact reason why your plan won't work, Gary. First, you're arguing from a position of deception; no, I don't disagree that some would cross the 2nd out of the BoR, if they could; but they've hardly "promised to do so if given the leadership". So you immediately lose your audience.

Second, you make the false argument at a time when it doesn't resonate with the Voters. RKBA was not an issue for voters in this election, partly because there is no huge Congressional debate on the subject and partly because the very voters who were worried about the 2nd Amendment in 2004, are worried today about the 1st, 4th, 5th, 6th, 7th, 8th and 10th.

Now, if the Dems are dumb enough to MAKE the 2nd an issue by '08, you'd have a great plan. But, let's suppose their collective IQ is in the triple digits and they lay low on the subject. While you're busy getting all "the right" Candidates to sign the RKBA Pledge, the Winners will be doing the exact same thing, only on issues of Patriot, Wire Tap Oversight, Military Tribunals and Federalization of State National Guard. Guess which side picks up the most swing voters?

Rich
 
Rich,

Democrats honestly believe that they are right to want to ban guns. I am a defense attorney, and I can tell you that Republican defense attorneys are, umm, rare. Most are doctrinaire liberals who march lock-step with the Democratic party. Even here in Georgia, nearly every liberal Democrat lumps gun owners in the same category as people who want to keep the confederate flag: illiterate rednecks who will eventually fade away. They simply don't believe the issue hurts them with people who matter. Of course, we have a fair number of blue dogs who do.

I do agree with you that they wll probably wait until after 08' to try to do anything serious. OTOH, an AWB, especially one that involves military "style" rifles but with no attendant mag ban, would probably pass. They may put it together to try to force McCain to decide between gun owners and independents and women within the Republican party.

It is scary as hell either way.
 
Greg-
Once again, I don't disagree for a Schumer New York Minute that the Democratic Party is anti Second Amendment. But there are Nine other Amendments in the BoR. Voters perceive a much greater threat to some of those other nine than to the Second. Until that changes, you'll get no traction from the "Gun Grabber" argument; especially when you begin with a statement (like Gary's) that is so easily refuted by a simple request for "Source".
Rich
 
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