UH1-D Rotorhead
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...about their 2nd Amendment rights, now that there has been a "shift" in power in Washington?
How many here are REALLY worried.....
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Gary Conner
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You gotta be kidding. That is all Pelosi, Schumer and Reid have been promising for their entire political careers. Admittedly they have kept their traps shut for the last cycle, but that was only to make sure they conned the moderates to believe they were off the track of gun confiscation.
It won't be a month and they will have proposed bills all over the place designed to disarm our citizenry.
I'm absolutely certain of it.
It won't be a month and they will have proposed bills all over the place designed to disarm our citizenry.
I'm absolutely certain of it.
contender6030
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Fairly worried
You didn't have a button for sorta worried
Anyone that is not worried a little has a long term memory problem. The good thing is that both the house and congress is split almost equally down the middle so maybe that will hinder some of the gonzos.
You didn't have a button for sorta worried
Anyone that is not worried a little has a long term memory problem. The good thing is that both the house and congress is split almost equally down the middle so maybe that will hinder some of the gonzos.Wildalaska
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There is an election in two years..nothing will happen before then.
WildrememberitwasntavotefordemsitwasavoteagainstrepubsAlaska
WildrememberitwasntavotefordemsitwasavoteagainstrepubsAlaska
contender6030
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Didn't take These maggots very long to chime in with their ilk.
http://bradycampaign.org/media/?page...se&release=851
A National Momentum Shift: Supporters Of Common-Sense Gun Laws Win Races From Coast To Coast
Over 95 Percent Of Brady-Backed Candidates Victorious
Washington, DC - In election races across the country yesterday, candidates who support strengthening America’s gun laws to fight gun violence defeated candidates backed by the gun lobby in U.S. Senate, U.S. House, gubernatorial and other statewide races and a number of high-profile state legislative races. The results should have a profound impact on the ability to fight illegal gun trafficking and gun violence in the coming years.
The Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence won five out of five races for Governor and four out of four races for the U.S. Senate in which the group endorsed and went head to head with National Rifle Association endorsed candidates. In all, the Brady Campaign appears to have won 95 percent of the races where it endorsed candidates. In the U.S. House, it appears some 109 candidates either endorsed or A rated by the National Rifle Association went down to defeat, along with 18 candidates for U.S. Senate.
The shift in control of the U.S. House of Representatives, coupled with a U.S. Senate that will either see a control shift or be exceptionally close, will make it hard for the gun lobby to weaken gun laws and creates opportunities for passage of common sense gun proposals, according to Brady officials.
“In this election, the gun issue was in play, gun violence prevention groups won while the gun pushers lost, and there is now a shift in momentum on the issue of common sense gun restrictions,” said Paul Helmke, President of the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence.
At least four of six U.S. Senate candidates that the NRA spent more than $1 million in total trying to re-elect went down to defeat, and the other two are losing. On the other hand, supporters of common sense gun laws in the Senate, like Dianne Feinstein, Hillary Rodham Clinton, Edward Kennedy, Deborah Stabenow and Richard Lugar were reelected handily.
In multiple key battles for Congressional seats supporters of tougher gun laws won, including Pennsylvania’s Joe Sestak, Ohio’s Betty Sutton and Colorado’s Ed Perlmutter. “I'm so grateful to the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence for supporting me early on,” Perlmutter said. “Not only did they help me win my primary, they've helped bring the issue of gun violence front and center in Colorado's 7th district.”
The gun lobby lost key Gubernatorial fights where the candidates waged brutal policy battles publicly over guns in Illinois, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania. It lost Governors’ mansions in other states as well, including Massachusetts, Maryland, New York and Colorado, where victors Deval Patrick, Martin O’Malley, Elliott Spitzer and Bill Ritter proudly accepted the Brady Campaign endorsement.
The NRA lost races in which it endorsed candidates many months ago, as well as at least one major race where it made its endorsement literally at the last minute. Governor Bob Ehrlich of Maryland received the NRA’s endorsement some time between midnight Monday, November 6 and 11 AM Tuesday, November 7 - and then lost to Baltimore Mayor Martin O’Malley anyway. O’Malley strongly supports passing a state assault weapons ban.
In New York State, a longtime leader in the fight to pass tougher gun laws returned to public office, as former U.S. Secretary of Housing and Urban Development Andrew Cuomo crushed his opponent to be elected Attorney General. Appearing with Cuomo in New York last week to deliver the Brady Campaign’s endorsement, Helmke said “rarely in the history of the gun violence prevention movement has there been a candidate for public office who has so thoroughly earned the movement’s support.” In California, former Governor and former Mayor of Oakland Jerry Brown, who aggressively challenged his NRA-backed opponent on the gun issue, was easily elected Attorney General. Martha Coakley, endorsed personally by Helmke in Boston last week, was elected Attorney General in Massachusetts.
In state legislative races, the trend continued. In Maryland, Jim Rosapepe unseated State Senator John Giannetti, who single-handedly blocked the state legislature from passing an assault weapons ban. “I couldn't have won this race without the help of Sarah and Jim Brady and the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence,” Rosapepe said. Brady backed candidates lead in a number of other races that have not yet been called.
In some contests, the message from the voters on whether they favor tougher gun laws was quite unambiguous and specific. In Cook County, Illinois, voters were asked whether they believe the State Legislatures should pass a ban on military-style assault weapons. The referendum passed with approximately 78 percent of the vote.
http://bradycampaign.org/media/?page...se&release=851
A National Momentum Shift: Supporters Of Common-Sense Gun Laws Win Races From Coast To Coast
Over 95 Percent Of Brady-Backed Candidates Victorious
Washington, DC - In election races across the country yesterday, candidates who support strengthening America’s gun laws to fight gun violence defeated candidates backed by the gun lobby in U.S. Senate, U.S. House, gubernatorial and other statewide races and a number of high-profile state legislative races. The results should have a profound impact on the ability to fight illegal gun trafficking and gun violence in the coming years.
The Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence won five out of five races for Governor and four out of four races for the U.S. Senate in which the group endorsed and went head to head with National Rifle Association endorsed candidates. In all, the Brady Campaign appears to have won 95 percent of the races where it endorsed candidates. In the U.S. House, it appears some 109 candidates either endorsed or A rated by the National Rifle Association went down to defeat, along with 18 candidates for U.S. Senate.
The shift in control of the U.S. House of Representatives, coupled with a U.S. Senate that will either see a control shift or be exceptionally close, will make it hard for the gun lobby to weaken gun laws and creates opportunities for passage of common sense gun proposals, according to Brady officials.
“In this election, the gun issue was in play, gun violence prevention groups won while the gun pushers lost, and there is now a shift in momentum on the issue of common sense gun restrictions,” said Paul Helmke, President of the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence.
At least four of six U.S. Senate candidates that the NRA spent more than $1 million in total trying to re-elect went down to defeat, and the other two are losing. On the other hand, supporters of common sense gun laws in the Senate, like Dianne Feinstein, Hillary Rodham Clinton, Edward Kennedy, Deborah Stabenow and Richard Lugar were reelected handily.
In multiple key battles for Congressional seats supporters of tougher gun laws won, including Pennsylvania’s Joe Sestak, Ohio’s Betty Sutton and Colorado’s Ed Perlmutter. “I'm so grateful to the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence for supporting me early on,” Perlmutter said. “Not only did they help me win my primary, they've helped bring the issue of gun violence front and center in Colorado's 7th district.”
The gun lobby lost key Gubernatorial fights where the candidates waged brutal policy battles publicly over guns in Illinois, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania. It lost Governors’ mansions in other states as well, including Massachusetts, Maryland, New York and Colorado, where victors Deval Patrick, Martin O’Malley, Elliott Spitzer and Bill Ritter proudly accepted the Brady Campaign endorsement.
The NRA lost races in which it endorsed candidates many months ago, as well as at least one major race where it made its endorsement literally at the last minute. Governor Bob Ehrlich of Maryland received the NRA’s endorsement some time between midnight Monday, November 6 and 11 AM Tuesday, November 7 - and then lost to Baltimore Mayor Martin O’Malley anyway. O’Malley strongly supports passing a state assault weapons ban.
In New York State, a longtime leader in the fight to pass tougher gun laws returned to public office, as former U.S. Secretary of Housing and Urban Development Andrew Cuomo crushed his opponent to be elected Attorney General. Appearing with Cuomo in New York last week to deliver the Brady Campaign’s endorsement, Helmke said “rarely in the history of the gun violence prevention movement has there been a candidate for public office who has so thoroughly earned the movement’s support.” In California, former Governor and former Mayor of Oakland Jerry Brown, who aggressively challenged his NRA-backed opponent on the gun issue, was easily elected Attorney General. Martha Coakley, endorsed personally by Helmke in Boston last week, was elected Attorney General in Massachusetts.
In state legislative races, the trend continued. In Maryland, Jim Rosapepe unseated State Senator John Giannetti, who single-handedly blocked the state legislature from passing an assault weapons ban. “I couldn't have won this race without the help of Sarah and Jim Brady and the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence,” Rosapepe said. Brady backed candidates lead in a number of other races that have not yet been called.
In some contests, the message from the voters on whether they favor tougher gun laws was quite unambiguous and specific. In Cook County, Illinois, voters were asked whether they believe the State Legislatures should pass a ban on military-style assault weapons. The referendum passed with approximately 78 percent of the vote.
marlboroman84
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I'm not worried right now. If a left leaning democrat takes control of the presidency in 2008, then I'll start getting leary. Right now the Democrats have way to much to do in the way of "fixing what the republicans have screwed up!" They have been whining and crying for years so, as another poster said, time to put up or shut up! They've got two years to make America think they are the right choice. They mess that up, you won't see a Dem in office in 08.
Right now, I think a harsh gun control bill would be the beginning of the end for them. The first AWB proved nothing and they have nothing to gain by implementing a new one. I am always cautious, though. I'll be ready if something does happen, but I think some of the people here at TFL worry just a bit to much. It's like their goal in life that someone tries to take their guns so they can finally use that "combat training" they been practicing for 8 months and they can have an excuse to "lock and load."
There is worry, there is paranoia, and there is downright crazy.
Right now, I think a harsh gun control bill would be the beginning of the end for them. The first AWB proved nothing and they have nothing to gain by implementing a new one. I am always cautious, though. I'll be ready if something does happen, but I think some of the people here at TFL worry just a bit to much. It's like their goal in life that someone tries to take their guns so they can finally use that "combat training" they been practicing for 8 months and they can have an excuse to "lock and load."
There is worry, there is paranoia, and there is downright crazy.
Guy B. Meredith
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Given that moderate Democrats like Bil "Frivolous Lawsuit" Clinton are no longer there to defray the efforts of the fanatics...?
DWARREN123
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I worry any time politicians are involved in anything.
contender6030
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^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
I bet you have very HIGH blood pressure and probably break out in rashes often if you worry that much.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^I bet you have very HIGH blood pressure and probably break out in rashes often if you worry that much.
45RackerTracker
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Why Worry
What me worry, said Alfred E. Newman. There is no need or purpose to worrying. If all we do is worry, then all will be lost. The NRA is our watchdog, If you have spare change send it to NRA-ILA, they will channel it to where it is needed to combat anti-gun legislation as it developes. When you get an alert, read it, don't throw it in the trash. If you can't send money, try helping by calling, writing and protesting in the way that the alerts ask you to. That way, if we still lose we can say that we tried. No fight, no rights!
What me worry, said Alfred E. Newman. There is no need or purpose to worrying. If all we do is worry, then all will be lost. The NRA is our watchdog, If you have spare change send it to NRA-ILA, they will channel it to where it is needed to combat anti-gun legislation as it developes. When you get an alert, read it, don't throw it in the trash. If you can't send money, try helping by calling, writing and protesting in the way that the alerts ask you to. That way, if we still lose we can say that we tried. No fight, no rights!
UH1-D Rotorhead
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Yes sir....
....I'm at a loss for anything more meaningfull or worthy...it'll pass..
....I'm at a loss for anything more meaningfull or worthy...it'll pass..
I would comment further but, I have been asked to curtail what it is I will do when AWB 2.0 passes.
The Nazi Palosi led Dems will most certainly do anything to subjugate liberty. Allowing citizens to remain armed would complicate their other plans to restrict liberty even further. Therefore, gun control must be one of the top issues. If the citizens have a means to defend and fight their govt to protect freedom that would complicate things for them. Thus, gun control and AWB 2.0 is coming soon.
(sigh)
The Nazi Palosi led Dems will most certainly do anything to subjugate liberty. Allowing citizens to remain armed would complicate their other plans to restrict liberty even further. Therefore, gun control must be one of the top issues. If the citizens have a means to defend and fight their govt to protect freedom that would complicate things for them. Thus, gun control and AWB 2.0 is coming soon.
(sigh)
10 MickeyMouse
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Not terribly concerned just yet. It's been coming for a long time, the only questions have been how soon and how bad. I suspect we won't see much of anything for at least a year. "AWB 2.0" won't show up for at least 3 years; they won't get it through congress with such a narrow split, and even if they take the white house and a larger majority of the legislature in '08, it'll take several months to get it through. There will still likely be enough semi-pro 2A legislatures to fillibuster. That's where we come in: we have to let them know we won't stand for it.
Over the next two years, I expect to see some small measures come through as riders on "non-partisan" bills. We just need to stay vigilant.
Over the next two years, I expect to see some small measures come through as riders on "non-partisan" bills. We just need to stay vigilant.
It would probably be a good thing if Pelosi and her bestest girlfriend Feinstein attempt to ram through some new gun laws, the more restrictive, the better.
It's just that kind of thing that would help to mobilize many who don't usually pay attention until it's too late. It is NOT a good thing if Dems don't even bring up the subject of gun control this next two years. It only means that they are biding their time and waiting for a "perfect storm" opportunity.
If the Dems hang back and wait and play dead on gun rights issues, they just might be able to take the presidency in '08. If that happens, and they keep the House and Senate, AWB '08 will make the Clinton '94 ban look like a party.
This time around, it would NOT have a "sunset" clause, and you can bet that there will be a lot more and tighter restrictions. Plus, don't expect any grandfathering either.
Never forget the most famous quote from Feinstein herself when she said about the 1994 AWB while it was being rammed through:
"If I could have gotten 51 votes in the Senate...for an outright ban, picking up every one of them, Mr. and Mrs. America, turn them all in, I would have done it."
Does anyone here really think that Feinstein and others of her ilk have changed their positions? The ONLY reason we haven't been hearing talk like that is because they know that not only could it NOT be passed, but it would also cost them elections in the near future.
With the Senate and House and Presidency, you WILL be seeing that talk again, but this time, it will be the actual text contained within the next AWB bill... "Mr. and Mrs. America, TURN THEM ALL IN!"
Carter
It's just that kind of thing that would help to mobilize many who don't usually pay attention until it's too late. It is NOT a good thing if Dems don't even bring up the subject of gun control this next two years. It only means that they are biding their time and waiting for a "perfect storm" opportunity.
If the Dems hang back and wait and play dead on gun rights issues, they just might be able to take the presidency in '08. If that happens, and they keep the House and Senate, AWB '08 will make the Clinton '94 ban look like a party.
This time around, it would NOT have a "sunset" clause, and you can bet that there will be a lot more and tighter restrictions. Plus, don't expect any grandfathering either.
Never forget the most famous quote from Feinstein herself when she said about the 1994 AWB while it was being rammed through:
"If I could have gotten 51 votes in the Senate...for an outright ban, picking up every one of them, Mr. and Mrs. America, turn them all in, I would have done it."
Does anyone here really think that Feinstein and others of her ilk have changed their positions? The ONLY reason we haven't been hearing talk like that is because they know that not only could it NOT be passed, but it would also cost them elections in the near future.
With the Senate and House and Presidency, you WILL be seeing that talk again, but this time, it will be the actual text contained within the next AWB bill... "Mr. and Mrs. America, TURN THEM ALL IN!"
Carter
It makes me uncomfortable to think that George W. Bush, a full plate of more immediate concerns, and several Democrats are the only thing standing between me and AWB II, but not overly concerned.
I would consider us safe at the Federal level for the next two years. Point #1: Several of us need to readjust our thinking. These Democrats don't operate in lockstep like the Republicans did. They are not controlled with an iron fist like the Republicans were. Pelosi has enough people in her caucus who will refuse an AWB that she won't even try it. Point #2: They have bigger fish to fry than a bunch of scary lookin' rifles. Point #3: Dubya promised that he'd sign an AWB and by all accounts doesn't believe in the 2nd, but even if it did cross his desk the party should have asserted enough control to force him to veto. He loves the Republican party above all else (except his personal power) and he's got to know that he'd be signing their death warrant.
The threat of an AWB looms in our future, but not within the next 2 years IMO. I think we should all drop the 'chicken little' act and rationally discuss what we can do to to help our cause. The immediate threat will come at the state level, not the Federal.
I would consider us safe at the Federal level for the next two years. Point #1: Several of us need to readjust our thinking. These Democrats don't operate in lockstep like the Republicans did. They are not controlled with an iron fist like the Republicans were. Pelosi has enough people in her caucus who will refuse an AWB that she won't even try it. Point #2: They have bigger fish to fry than a bunch of scary lookin' rifles. Point #3: Dubya promised that he'd sign an AWB and by all accounts doesn't believe in the 2nd, but even if it did cross his desk the party should have asserted enough control to force him to veto. He loves the Republican party above all else (except his personal power) and he's got to know that he'd be signing their death warrant.
The threat of an AWB looms in our future, but not within the next 2 years IMO. I think we should all drop the 'chicken little' act and rationally discuss what we can do to to help our cause. The immediate threat will come at the state level, not the Federal.
I think that they will be busy with Iraq and the fact that some Dems want GW impeached, for the short term. However, I think if we get Hillary as the Dem candidate in 08, it is a real possibility.
If a new version of the AWB gets passed, remember that they now have the Patriot Act and other assorted "terrorism" tools to go after "militia members" who illegally have "evil weapons"
If a new version of the AWB gets passed, remember that they now have the Patriot Act and other assorted "terrorism" tools to go after "militia members" who illegally have "evil weapons"
There is no "slightly concerned" option in the poll. I definitely have some fears, but I'm not about to start loading the magazines for a roof top voting campaign in '08. I think the biggest immediate effect on myself is that I'm reconsidering the idea of SBRing one of my ARs... I'm not so sure it's worth having it listed in the NFA registry anymore.
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