How does this make you feel: Dan Baum, "Gun Guy?"

Gun Guys...

I saw a Fox News item about a new non fiction book called Gun Guys. I didn't watch the whole segment but the author spent time researching guns, the US gun culture, the media(films, TV, video games, etc), crime.

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Well, part of it boils down to the fact that some people see no problem with gun control as long as it does not impact them personally. Also, many fail to understand that this battle is about freedom and responsibility and not some piece of hardware. We need to assure personal freedom, but hold those responsible who abuse that freedom. However, many find it easier to regulate society as a whole than to discipline individuals who violate the law. Ever notice it is many of the same folks that support gun control who in turn call for leniency for a convicted murderer?
 
Neither Barrett or Baum would be what I would call solid advocates for ‘our’ side of the argument. Both are critical of the NRA and both see little problem with all sorts of ‘reasonable’ and ‘sensible’ new restrictions.
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so if you criticize the NRA you're anti-gun, is that it? believe it or not, there are plenty of gun owners out there that do not pay lip service to the NRA, nor do they think the NRA is necessarily doing gun owners a favor.

as for the 'reasonable' or 'sensible' gun law debate, I don't see anything wrong with some of the things being proposed. for example, gun shows. if I have to go through an NICS background check when buying a firearm from a LGS, why doesn't John Doe have to go through the same procedure at a gun show? I think it's disingenuous to suggest that there are no criminals obtaining guns at gun shows, especially because there is no mandatory background check. you can't have your cake and eat it too
 
Gaseousclay, it sounds like you maybe operating under a bit of a misconception here. Under the current law, if John Doe buys a gun from a dealer, he has to go through a background check whether the sale takes place at the dealer's shop or at a gun show. If John Doe buys a gun from a private party, no check is necessary if they both live in the same state, regardless of where the transaction takes place.

This is why the "gun show loophole" is a misnomer: the goal of the folks who came up with the term has always been to prohibit private sales.

All we really know about the current bill is that it's supposed to be an improvement over Sen. Schumer's version, under which practically any transfer, even most temporary ones, would have required a background check. Until we see the text of the current version, we don't know how it differs from that. And rank-and-file Senators haven't seen it either, last I heard.

Getting back to our regularly scheduled thread... I'm merging this one with the other thread discussing Mr. Baum and his book tour.
 
so if you criticize the NRA you're anti-gun, is that it? believe it or not, there are plenty of gun owners out there that do not pay lip service to the NRA, nor do they think the NRA is necessarily doing gun owners a favor.

as for the 'reasonable' or 'sensible' gun law debate, I don't see anything wrong with some of the things being proposed. for example, gun shows. if I have to go through an NICS background check when buying a firearm from a LGS, why doesn't John Doe have to go through the same procedure at a gun show? I think it's disingenuous to suggest that there are no criminals obtaining guns at gun shows, especially because there is no mandatory background check. you can't have your cake and eat it too
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1934 – National Firearms Act
1968 – The Gun Control Act
1986 – Firearms Owners Protection Act
1993 – Brady Handguns Violence Act
1994 – Assault Weapons Ban
1995 – Gun Free School Zones Act
A 1997 Justice Department survey of more than 18,000 state and federal convicts revealed the truth:

• 39.6% of criminals obtained a gun from a friend or family member
• 39.2% of criminals obtained a gun on the street or from an illegal source
• 0.7% of criminals purchased a gun at a gun show
• 1% of criminals purchased a gun at a flea market
• 3.8% of criminals purchased a gun from a pawn shop
• 8.3% of criminals actually bought their guns from retail outlets

Time to stop compromising and time to get our heads pit of the sand and stop believing the hog slop the politicians tell the public about the gun show loop hole.
 
I think they (some of the media) are stacking the deck against the pro-gun folk by claiming to have pro-gun folk on their shows who are not very pro-gun at all.

At that I like it better than when they have some ranting, foaming at the mouth person representing us.

What I'd really like though is someone pointing out that a lot of this stuff is feel good legislation that really won't make things safer.

Here's an example of what I'd like to see more often.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ECxDvwObwZk

The above was posted by Magnum Mike in this thread:
http://thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=512936
 
it sounds like you maybe operating under a bit of a misconception here
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Bingo. This is exactly the problem when it comes to background checks and gun control in general most people simply do not understand the current process and the amount of regulation that already exists. I mean really who could oppose efforts to keep guns out of the hands of criminals and the mentally ill? The problem is that we already have plenty of regulation, but in many cases it is not being enforced.
 
Dan Baum is at least intellectually honest and informed on the subject; which is more than Joe Nocera and his ilk can say. Having said that, anybody who says they are a "gun guy", wants more responsibility and safety and at the same time hates the NRA should be "package checked" by Mike Tyson.
 
Anyone that says they are pro-gun but bashes the NRA is anti-gun in my book.

The NRA is the only substantial voice of sanity in all this especially in the light that Americans have already given up too much compromise on interpreting & obeying laws contrary to the 2nd Amendment. We have too many restrictions now. When the new laws don't work, what next? It's easy to connect the dots...

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To be fair, Baum was pretty well, um, worthless in defending the RKBA. However, at least he wasn't one of the "crazies" that gets on a rant so intense that it makes us all look like psychopaths. Take Ted Nugent for example, I'm glad that we have a high-profile celebrity (well, maybe not so high-profile nowadays) talking on our behalf when most others have taken the "moral high road" on the subject, but some of the things that that man says in his pro-gun interviews make me want to slap myself in the face. I believe that the aforementioned YouTube clip is by far the most impressive pro-gun interviewee I've ever seen, and we need to get him on more nationally syndicated shows to voice our opinions, beliefs, and to intelligently stand up to the media.
 
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