How do you secure HD guns with kids

Just curious, does CA treat safe testing the way they do handguns? I believe for handguns, you not only have to supply the guns, but also pay for the testing, and I've heard that different finishes (and maybe even different barrel lengths) are considered "different" models and must be separately tested to be approved?
 
I use a gunvault biometric safe under my car seat for instances when I'm carrying and then need to to go to a bank or something and need to leave the gun in the car. It programs something like 200 fingerprints, so I did every one of my fingers for convenience. I used to have the same thing mounted on my bed frame too- I don't have kids though so now it is locked in my safe when I'm gone and out on my nightstand when I'm home.

Have you seen the new Hornady handgun safe though? I haven't seen one in person yet, but the bracelet thing seems like a great idea , you can put it on when you go to bed. I'd imagine they wouldn't let a shoddy product out under their name, but then again they aren't exactly a security company so I have no idea how reliably it functions.
 
Just curious, does CA treat safe testing the way they do handguns? I believe for handguns, you not only have to supply the guns, but also pay for the testing, and I've heard that different finishes (and maybe even different barrel lengths) are considered "different" models and must be separately tested to be approved?
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If the above is how they treat handguns then I would say it is similar from what little I know. I haven't researched it enough. The manufacturer supplies several to test of each model and then one to sit in the approved items warehouse for reference. Of course, all at the manufacturers expense.
 
twobit wrote:
I grew up in the 1960's under the "gunproof your child".
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Yep, I did, too.

When it was my turn, I used the NRA "Eddie Eagle" rules for my children and that worked well!

As they grew-up I taught'em how to shoot and clean and reload rifles pistols and shotguns.

However, I added:
1) Never talk about what firearms we have or how they are stored with your friends (ie Don't go there)
and
2) Never show or allow any your friends at the house to handle firearms.

They are all grown now - The youngest is 25.
All maintain they never ever broke those last 2 rules.
 
You can gun proof you child, but how can you be sure your child's friends are gun proof.

I keep my guns in a locked gun safe, except for my HD/SD gun. Its in my pocket. Not much chance of any kid getting a hold of it without my knowledge.

A locked up HD gun isn't a defense gun, If your gun is on your person, its available yet un-assessable to others.
 
I think people missed the OP's point. He has an infant child, not one he can sit down and explain gun safety to, that will come later. He is more worried about a child who can move around the house but can barely communicate. They can't understand right or wrong. I am in the same boat so I see where he is coming from.

Any way, I hope the OP learned something from the thread. I have narrowed my choices down to the Fort Knox and FAS1 safes. I like the room of the Fort Knox but the Simplex lock is what is holding me back. I like the key lock in addition to the Simplex lock of the FAS1. The 7 gauge steel doesn't hurt in the FAS1 either, but its design leaves less room inside and needs more space when bolting it down due to the way it opens.
 
He is more worried about a child who can move around the house but can barely communicate. They can't understand right or wrong. I am in the same boat so I see where he is coming from.
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He, and you need to worry about a lot more than guns! In fact, I would put guns quite a way down on the list of worries.

If it is your first time, welcome to the joys of parenthood. If you're working on #2, or later, you already know what I'm talking about.

Every remotely dangerous or hazardous thing in your house MUST be secured in some fashion, childproofing the house. Guns, knives, tools, household cleaners, etc., and don't forget electrical outlets!!

I heard some where that Chimps and toddlers are pretty close, mentally. SO, assume that if Tarzan's Cheetah could do it, so can your kids. They get EVERYWHERE and they touch, smell and taste EVERYTHING! Really!

We all think we can keep an eye on the kids, all the time. We can't. What a child can do in a few seconds, without even knowing what they are doing, is simply amazing. (every parent reading this is nodding right now!;))

After doing things like making sure we had good latches on cabinets and drawers, made sure we had a stove with the controls at the back of the stovetop, capped the outlets not in use etc., we felt better when the houseapes were out of direct line of sight. But we also put a cute little bell on one shoe. Hearing the jingle was a welcome sound. When the jingle stopped, it was time to see what they were getting into!!!!

A simple cheap hasp and padlock, something you could break with your bare hands in an emergency will keep a toddler out of anything they shouldn't be into. When they are big enough to defeat that level of security, they are big enough to understand why they shouldn't.

here's another tip, think about where and how you customarily put your keys! Trust me, given half a chance, they will find the dish or peg, or purse, where you keep your keys. And after they find your keys, odds are real good, you won't. That goes for all valuables small enough for them to lift and carry. Cell phones would be in that group, too. And some of the little darlings are really fascinated with things going in the toilet, so, prepare yourself accordingly.
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National Security here. Out of sight out of mind is my motto. A trigger lock is in my estimation only offers half way security when that weapon is left in a unlocked bedroom draw under a pillow or some other easily accessible place. If your unfortunate having to raise a gun crazy kid. Do yourself and the neighborhood a favor._ "Don't buy a gun!! Don't keep a gun on the premisses period!!"_ Those who opine the need to defend themselves. Buy a baseball bat. Or a piece of pipe. Whatever. To have a stern conversation about guns with a 3 or 5 yr old is ridiculous.
 
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A trigger lock is in my estimation only offers half way security when that weapon is left in a unlocked bedroom draw under a pillow or some other easily accessible place.
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My estimation goes a bit further. In fact, my opinions about triggerlocks are just about the opposite of what is currently the ascendant idea in popular opinion today.

I believe that trigger locks are not only unnecessary, but the way some people use them, actually increases risk. I believe my logic is sound, it essentially boils down to one of the basic rules of gun safety.

Keep your finger off the trigger until your sights are on your target.

This also applies equally (if not more) for anything ELSE you put in the triggerguard of a LOADED GUN.

I think a trigger lock on a loaded gun is a very BAD idea, and on some guns I think it is a very DANGEROUS idea as well. Something like a loaded Glock
with a trigger lock scares the snot out of me.

If you keep a loaded gun, you keep it loaded because you have decided that the time it takes to load it during critical need would be too much for safety. Put a trigger lock on it, because people tell you that you need to do that to be "safe".

Now, if/when you do need the gun, you need to remove the trigger lock (which takes time, if not much), and you are going to be in a BIG hurry, and likely very stressed. NOT a good time to be fumbling trying to get something OFF the trigger of a loaded gun! Odds are high you will bump or otherwise "pull" the trigger, and with some gun designs, a small tug/bump in just the right place will fire them. While not 100% accurate, the word I use for someone who puts a trigger lock on a loaded gun is "idiot".

And, if the gun isn't loaded, what is the need (or use) for a trigger lock?

I'm fine with securing a loaded gun inside a locking container, drawer, closet, or safe, etc. I would recommend it highly. The entire gun, safely secured. NOT the trigger of a loaded gun!

And, if you ask, I'll tell you how I really feel! :D
 
If I wanted security from theft, I'd buy a safe of some sort

To keep it away from the small kids, I''d just put a key lock on a convenient drawer, or an entryway lockset or deadbolt on a closet door
 
I have narrowed my choices down to the Fort Knox and FAS1 safes. I like the room of the Fort Knox but the Simplex lock is what is holding me back. I like the key lock in addition to the Simplex lock of the FAS1. The 7 gauge steel doesn't hurt in the FAS1 either, but its design leaves less room inside and needs more space when bolting it down due to the way it opens.
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Either one will serve you well depending on what features you are looking for. Obviously, the FAS1 is not a drawer safe, but not sure why you think it needs more space. The footprint is really pretty small next to your bed with the narrow design. Also has the ability to mount just about any way you can think of. Here's a few pics sent from customers:

https://www.pinterest.com/FAS1SAFE/fas1-safe-in-the-bedroom/
 
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I've used GunVault for years, with the simple 4 button keypad for just the purpose you describe. I like the larger model, which I keep inside my armoire near my bed. Its large enough to hold my home defense gun, my two favorite carry guns, plus extra megs and speedstrips. Its certainly secure enough to keep kids out and has been totally reliable.
 
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