How do you react?

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I guess you just have to feel it out and see if you truly feel your life is in danger.
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Like our CWP Instructor told us, "If someone has a gun drawn, you must assume they intend to use it. Act accordingly."
 
Sit there calmly and quietly, let the BGs finish their business, then finish your waffles and wait for the police to come. Then give the police what information you can. No sense in turning a robbery into a gunfight without some compelling reasons, IMO.
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When robbers come in waving guns in people's faces, it's ALREADY a gunfight. Just because they haven't shot anyone yet doesn't mean the "fight" hasn't started.
 
The sad thing all of the Waffle Houses around here have those signs posted "no weapons allowed on premises" so if you are armed you've broken the law. When I was an leo(many years ago) not many nights went by that we didn't get a call to the local Waffle House. So like some one else said I also do not go there.
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Funny, none of the ones around here are posted. ::Shrug::
 
The principle is very simple:

Take an action that you think will miminize the risk of grievous bodily harm to those you care about who might be at risk to grievous bodily harm.

-- There is no automatic response in this scenario's time scale.

Also, I might suggest, if one can afford it, some realistic FOF training such that you have some experience with how various actions can go well or awry.
 
O.K I'm sitting there, observing...good witness. Waiting. No shooting, yet. Don't draw...they're just gonna' take the money and run.

THEN one robber decides to shoot...and I'm hit center mass!

Guess I was a bit behind the "curve"...that hurt...gonna' leave a scar!

I hope, to all reasonable, I'm never in the wrong place at the wrong time!

Mark
 
THEN one robber decides to shoot...and I'm hit center mass!
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The robber rarely shoots unless there is some reason to do so. Deciding to shoot at a robber ALWAYS gives him a reason to do so. It is a crap shoot either way, just the odds change.
 
I couldn't tell you whether I would draw and shoot, or if I would just sit there wishing I had worn brown trousers.
 
You do nothing, let them have the money - most robbers aren't looking to commit a murder and even if they were, you don't interfere until they start shooting.
 
Depends. If I thought I could get them both quickly without getting myself or someone else killed, I'd do it.

If I didn't think that, then I'd likely wait for them to come me, and act accordingly depending on what they did. Maybe try and remove the threat, maybe just hand over the wallet.

If at any point I thought not acting meant me or someone else would die, I'd act. If at any point I though acting would mean me or someone else would likely die, I wouldn't.

We can go back and forth in a thread like this all day. As much as I hate it, no one is going to know the best course of action to take until faced with a particular set of circumstances at a particular time.

Be prepared to for anything and everything, and if you can't manage that then get as close to it as you can.
 
Two years ago, here in Nashville, there were several robberies in my very near neighbor hood. In three of the events the BG just opened fire after compliance by the clerks. Two were killed...also, one customer was shot while he lay on the floor. I reckon it just wasn't his day.

I'm NOT saying to start shooting as soon as it starts. I agree with what many have said. It depends...you gotta' be there, observe, hope you're reading it right as the robbery unfolds and TRY to stay ahead.

I hope I'm never caught in the middle of one of the robberies!


Mark.
 
The sad thing all of the Waffle Houses around here have those signs posted "no weapons allowed on premises" so if you are armed you've broken the law.
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Not here in Michigan. Trespassing, a civil infraction, if the greasy spoon wants to press charges. It's a shame some locales decide to allow the signs to extend the laws.
 
Are these guys just asking for wallets/money or are they searching people? You could determine this by watching the proceedings--assuming that you're not the first one in "line".

If they're actually searching, what are they going to do when they find my CCW? No way to tell unless someone else is carrying too and is before you in "line".

Is everyone going to cooperate or is someone going to cause a ruckus? No way to know the answer to this.

If someone doesn't cooperate will the robbers feel constrained to handle it without seriously injuring or killing the non-cooperative person? No way to know the answer to this.

Are the robbers rational & reasonable? That is, will they be willing to leave with the loot if everyone cooperates or are they in it for the thrill too, like the two kids in Garland who robbed a business owner/employee and then killed them before leaving the scene in spite of the fact that neither victim offered resistance? No way to know this for certain but you might be able to hazard a guess based on their behavior. You can play the odds, but if you lose it will be a small comfort to die knowing that was not the most likely outcome.

This scenario is interesting to provoke thought, but is too open-ended for there to be a "right answer".
 
If a gun is in view I believe that the perp intends to use it. I personally do not feel a gun is for intimidation... thus I will act on such a threat with force if at all possible.
I won't kill a person over a few bucks in my pocket but I dang sure will shoot some one if they brandish a weapon in a violent manner in waffle house...
Brent
 
Take an action that you think will miminize the risk of grievous bodily harm to those you care about who might be at risk to grievous bodily harm.
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well spoken. No two situations are identical. It's always up to you to decide in split-second what to. A key parameter is how likely your action would turn the situation worse than it already is. If howeve, you have a clear chance to stop the threat without a high risk of increasing it, doing so is an option.

Don't ever worry because you didn't interfere. If nowbody got hurt, it you acted perfectly well. Your instincts and reason judged the situation well and everybody is still unharmed.
 
I won't kill a person over a few bucks in my pocket but I dang sure will shoot some one if they brandish a weapon in a violent manner in waffle house...
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And if your deciding to shoot some one who is just brandishing starts a shootout where there would not have been one otherwise, and innocent bystanders get killed....?? People keep missing out on this part of the equation. Given the fact that most robbers indicate that they use weapons primarily to insure cooperation (most folks would be amazed at the number of BGs guns that are not loaded,m do not work, are actually toys, etc.) that is the best way to plan a response. If they indicate that is not their purpose, then the gunfight might be appropriate.
 
with all due respect david a., I do not shoot to initiate a shootout... No wounding or wing shots. If I have an opportunity to draw and fire it will end the shooting risk. After a couple rounds at COM I will be advancing and making sure I have the full attention of the bad people and continuing to eliminate risk.
I also realize I must making the playing field in my favor. These punks of today rely on fear to have their way with society. They rarely expect to be rushed by a redneck with serious intentions to turn the tables on their terrorism. I will not tolerate intimidation, terrorism or bullying from anyone.
Brent
 
hogdogs, i am in no way in doubt of your shooting ability, but no plan ever survives contact with the enemy... Just because you want it so doesnt mean it always goes down that way. There are many things that can go wrong, especially against numerous perps...

But I do agree that you should never tolerate their terrorism/bullying/intimidation (though not at the expense of others lives)... I figure if I find myself in a strong position to end the scenario with a high probability of success, I'd probably take it... Its just the last thing you want is some innocent to get hit in the cross fire and give the antis that much more ammunition...
 
If I have an opportunity to draw and fire it will end the shooting risk
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As mentioned above, it is amazing how many people have that idea that nothing will go wrong. You MIGHT end the shooting risk. You might INCREASE the shooting risk. A pretty wise man once told me to always plan that the person you are about to fight is at least as good as you are.
I will not tolerate intimidation, terrorism or bullying from anyone.
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It is always interesting to see how many people feel their ego is worth getting killed over, or getting others killed.
 
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