How did carbines get so expensive?

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A Ruger or Marlin camp carbine used to go for few hundred dollars.

Now these carbines like the Thureon and EMF JR Carbine go for like $600 -$700 bucks.

Is it because they have picatiny rails?
 
I would have to think the "Supply and Demand" law goes into effect here. Seems most people have gone the way of ultra light and compact rifles. The more people go crazy buying these, the higher the price is going. Add a $12 dollar rail, call it Mil Spec or Tactical (only because some one seen his friends neighbor carry one while wearing a uniform of some kind) and you have another reason to raise the price by $200.00.
Ammo for .223 remington used to be around $5 for a 50 count box. Now I can't get the brass for that price.
 
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I don't think Supply and Demand is the issue, these guns sale for what people are willing to buy them at. If no one bought them at 600 bucks, the seller would drop his price to 500 and so forth and so on till he found where the market was willing to settle. Edit: And that the seller could still make enough profit to continue his business.

Also, inflation is killing us right now
 
It's also relative to inflation and the economy. I just bought a Rossi model 92 lever action 357 magnum for $475. That isn't unreasonable. I bought my S&W M&P15-OR at christmas on sale for $649. That isn't unreasonable.

Only people who don't shop around, or who are impatient, are paying $1000+ for an AR or retail price for a weapon. Usually it's the impatience more than anything. They walk into a shop, see something they like, and want it now. They don't look around for sales or online. FWIW: I bought my M&P15 at Sportsman's Warehouse. A local Big Box store. I couldn't even get it on the internet for that price. Just requires patience and the ability to shop around.
 
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I don't think Supply and Demand is the issue, these guns sale for what people are willing to buy them at. If no one bought them at 600 bucks, the seller would drop his price to 500 and so forth and so on till he found where the market was willing to settle."


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Definition of supply and demand:

"Nike
I don't think Supply and Demand is the issue, these guns sale for what people are willing to buy them at. If no one bought them at 600 bucks, the seller would drop his price to 500 and so forth and so on till he found where the market was willing to settle."


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Eh, I should have said I don't think it's a supply issue, because every time I walk into a gun store there are plenty of them there.

The demand is definitely there and the price will continue to rise and fall depending on what people are willing to pay.

If it was just pure supply and demand, the prices would be a lot cheaper, as the supply heavily outweighs the demand right now.
 
The US dollar has lost more than 10% against the peso in the last year. THE MEXICAN PESO. Think of all the problems in Mexico, then consider their currency is gaining ground against the US dollar. Prices aren't going up at extravagant rates, the dollar is going down.
 
Bingo John.

Everything is more expensive these days, oil, food, guns, ammo, toothpicks...

You name it, and it's more expensive than it was 4 years ago, not to mention 10-15 years ago...
 
Bingo on the Dollar

A weak dollar means the government gets to pay back its $14 trillion dollar debt with money worth less than it was originally borrowed at. We get to pay the difference in reduced living standards, and people on fixed or low incomes get royally rogered. I'm sure the Chinese are not too happy either.
 
In a past life I worked in investments & finance. Earned a degree in economics w/ a specialty in finance & risk management. If I remember correctly, in economic theorem the only thing which has a direct effect upon price is quantity demanded. Qd is defined differently than D so as not to confuse the two. Inputs may have an indirect effect on price but Qd has the direct hold.
 
14.3 trillion:eek:We are in big trouble as a country. I say default and then remind the Chinese, the Japanese and everyone else holding American debt(that includes Americans, I know) what we spent their money on. GUNS and losts of training and support equipment; so BRING IT ON if you need to collect the obligation!
 
I'm all for telling ANY country that we owe debt to; who we happened to help out in the past with aid; that we're EVEN. Then; let hyper-inflation kick in, and when the remainder of the $14 trillion debt is worth about 25-30%, pay it back then. Then, we'd be debt free, and inflation would automatically go down and we become financially stronger.

Unfortunately; we have too many politicians who believe in a socialist/welfare system. Every dollar we save, they will find some other social program to spend it on. The real answer lies in the 10th amendment of the bill of rights. We need to take the 90%+ of federal programs and powers that aren't constitutionally given, and give those rights and responsibilities back to the states and the people where they belong. The Federal government has absolutely no business having a "Department of Education", "Health", "Social Security", Department of the Interior, agriculture, etc... There's nothing wrong with having regulatory agencies that are small and provide standards; but that's where it must end. The federal government needs to simply deal with Inter-National and Inter-State issues. The individual states need to take care of their people and control their resources. Unfortunately, that is the right answer, but requires reducing the federal government to about 25% it's existing size. Politicians like the POWER they have. They'll never go for that.
 
14.3 trillionWe are in big trouble as a country. I say default and then remind the Chinese, the Japanese and everyone else holding American debt(that includes Americans, I know) what we spent their money on. GUNS and losts of training and support equipment; so BRING IT ON if you need to collect the obligation!
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You seem to think we have a gun to the heads of the Chinese, we don't. They have all the cards and we have nothing. The moment they decide to stop throwing good money after bad is the day they call our bluff.

So we screw over the Chinese and Japanese.......how do you propose we finance the $1.6 trillion dollar yearly defects? The moment China and Japan STOP buying new US government debt is the day the decline really kicks into overdrive because the US government will only have the printing press to finance its spending. Then add in the trillions in currency that will flood back to the US as foreigners do everything they can to get rid of their dollars for whatever they can.

The 14 trillion dollar debt doesn't even cover unfunded liabilities like Medicare and Social Security. Both of those add at least another 50 trillion dollars to the figure.
 
The Federal government has absolutely no business having a "Department of Education", "Health", "Social Security", Department of the Interior, agriculture, etc... There's nothing wrong with having regulatory agencies that are small and provide standards; but that's where it must end. The federal government needs to simply deal with Inter-National and Inter-State issues.
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christcorp, You have to be kidding??? 50 different State laws on the quality of milk you give your kids? 50 different State laws on the selling of snake oil? 50 different State laws on wether you can vote or not? 50 different State Laws on how your money is protected? 50 State laws on if your kids will or will not get an education and be able to earn a decent income?

You are about 100 to 120 years too late, you needed to be born in the 1890's it's all Teddy Roosevelt's fault, he started the whole thing about the federal government protecting us, and he was a Republican.

Jim

PS: I forgot what the question of this post was? O'ya the cost of carbines, value of the dollar and demand.

Jim
 
Well IMHO i think we would be a lot better off without the FED. We need to go back to something similar to a gold standard and make our dollar worth something instead of representing debt.
 
Anyone who thinks hyper-inflation will work out well for us needs to study post-WWI Germany and the 1864-5 Confederate States of America. Politicians lie, history does not.
 
Sometimes it has to do with how many (complex) "parts" go into the gun since these add more labor and material cost. I believe that's why the price of lever action rifles has climbed. Lot's of these kind of parts that have to be heat treated etc etc
 
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By Ruger "carbine" you must mean the PC9, which is similar in nature (pistol cal carbine) to the Marlin Camp Carbine.

Both are no longer made for one thing, which always drives up asking prices. I have not seen either in a used rack in a long time. I have not checked gunbroker. The .45 version of the Marlin seemed seemed interesting .

Also, I'm not sure that either stayed in production very long, so the number available for sale, used , at any one point, is likely pretty slim.

Adds up to high asking price.
 
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