How can I achieve low recoil, accuracy, lethal power for 75 yards?

I fired an Omega 50 cal. at the gun club. A member kindly let me try it. Recoil seemed about same as a 20 gauge. But each firearm is different in terms of stock design, weight, etc.

My goal is to achieive reasonable balance between accurasy, lethal power, and minimal recoil.
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I don't like recoil much either. But since it's for a shotgun season why not just hunt with a very accurate 20 gauge like an H&R Ultra Slug gun? Mostly due to it's weight it has noticeably less recoil than most muzzle loaders do. And it has the same action as a break action muzzle loader. :)
 
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leathal at 75 yrds

reciepe add 2 777 magnum pellets (red box) 1 250 grain hornady sst ml bullet an a winchester 209 primer,= 2060fps and about twice the energy required to humanely harvest deer size game,try different bullets thompson shocwaves are also very good,if you like conicals the 385 gr buffalo prelubed bullets are very accurate and penetrate very well ,but have a rainbow trajectory out past 100 yrds.while using tompson 250gr shocwaves I made a 180yrd running shot on a large doe ,and a clean kill ,the animal droped in its tracks ,with conicals u must use a wool wad when not using loose powder.:cool:
 
Jack

Thanks for the wink-back. Nice to read about the excellent hunting in PA once again. I am not a hunter and never was but the deer country in PA is legendary.

I left when I joined the Navy but I can recall those herd culling seasons. My Cousin and Uncle left for work an hour and a half early during deer season to hunt on the way to work. My cousin was a trapper as well as a hunter.

Nice to recall days gone by.

Thanks... and sorry for highjacking the thread folks. Couldn't resist.
 
Generally speaking, the gun that weighs the most will kick the least. When shopping for a gun, if it feels feather light when you handle it, put it back.
 
Instead of changing rifles or loads have you considered using a recoil pad?

After I had heart surgery and several stints installed my Dr recommended I not shoot high powered rifles. I did some research on reducing felt recoil and had some shirts made to accept the Browning "Reactor" pad. It's a gel filled pad that really works. I shoot a lot of mil-surps with steel butt plates and lots of recoil, the pad tamed them down a lot.

I had this young lady make some shirts for me that have a pocket that accepts the reactor pad, very reasonable cost and very effective.

http://pinetreecustomsportswear.com/
 
no a .50cal takes .490 round balls. Look it up on either tc or cva's online manual.
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You're absolutely right. I don't know what I was thinking. Here's a chart that gives the sizes. Sorry for the wrong info.
Well the chart doesn't match up but I think everybody can figure it out,

Rifles & Pistols Caliber Ball Patch
.32 .310 .015
.36 .350 .015
.40 .395 .015
.44 .433 .015
.45 .440 .015
.50 .490 .015
.54 .530 .015
.58 .570 .015
Revolvers Caliber Ball
Colt .31 .321
Colt .36 .375
Colt .44 .451 or .454
Rem .36 .375 or .376
Rem .44 .451 or .454
 
Jack
Your requirements are not all that demanding and Y'all sure can get there from here. If you do decide to go with an In-Line, might I suggest one of the closed breech models and try to work up a good shot-string with the new BlackHorn-209. If you have been looking at the new CVA's, I would not have a problems with these as they not have some pretty good barrels. I guess I just don't know to much about what you are in to. All the choices listed, will perform well for you. I have shot my share of the sidelocks and most of the In-Lines available. Most sidelocks dare not come with recoil pads and all high end In-Lines do. Might add that when it comes to M/L's, you have to be patient with the rifle and yourself. ..... ;)



Be Safe !!!
 
You can use a .495 ball as well with a 50 cal. if you use a thinner patch.
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Or if you like a tighter fitting ball as in going for maximum accuracy in target shooting. This may require a short starter and a small mallet to get the ball started.
 
Conicals for Inline Vs. Balls (Less Velocity)

My entire entrance into black powder has been because I feel that governments have NEVER wanted their citizens to have guns ... UNLESS ... the government is depending on their citizens to CREATE the government, or they are very, very, very smart and know that if every man had a rifle and a pistol loaded, and in the closet, there would be far, far less chance of invasion ... HOT CHOCOLATE anyone? :D

So now I understand that the modern inline black powder muzzle loading rifles fare better with conicals, correct me if I'm wrong, (per their design or their intended use or both).

I also understand that a round ball loses velocity much more rapidly than a conical, something on the order of 50% loss of velocity once a round ball has traveled X amount of yards and the conical will have only lost about half that amount of velocity. So the LONG shot at a deer or game is going to be much, much more effective with a scoped inline BP muzzle loader rifle than one with a round ball.

I want one that shoots round balls as best as possible because of the first paragraph that I wrote. I think our government not only wants U.S. to NOT have guns, I think they are doing everything possible to limit our ability to get AMMO.

What kind of rifle should I get?
 
So now I understand that the modern inline black powder muzzle loading rifles fare better with conicals, correct me if I'm wrong, (per their design or their intended use or both).

I also understand that a round ball loses velocity much more rapidly than a conical, something on the order of 50% loss of velocity once a round ball has traveled X amount of yards and the conical will have only lost about half that amount of velocity. So the LONG shot at a deer or game is going to be much, much more effective with a scoped inline BP muzzle loader rifle than one with a round ball.
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Most of the modern in-line muzzleloaders have a fast rifling twist for bullets. One turn in 28 inches or there about. It's the rifling twist, not the in-line design that makes them more suitable for bullets than roundballs. There are some custom made in-line target rifles with roundball barrels but they are not manufactured off the shelf guns.

There are also some traditional style muzzleloaders offered with bullet twist and Green Mountain offers barrels for custom made muzzleloaders in both roundball and bullet twist.

For roundballs in .50 caliber, the rifling twist should be somewhere in the 60 to 72 inch range.

Yes, roundballs shed velocity fast which also causes crosswinds to drift them a lot. A mere 5 mph crosswind can move a roundball several inches at 100 yards. The target shooters really pay attention to the wind flags when they shoot.
 
green mountain is no longer producing barrels for the TC sidelocks, something about having to fill military contracts first. They are getting really hard to find
 
green mountain is no longer producing barrels for the TC sidelocks, something about having to fill military contracts first. They are getting really hard to find
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Yes, I think they quit making the ready to shoot TC drop in barrels. I think they still make muzzleloading barrel blanks that you or some gunsmith can install a breech plug into and cut dove tails for sights and lugs.

I suspect that the waning interest in traditional style muzzleoaders caused the demand for the TC side lock drop-ins to dry up.
 
tons of places out there still making ml barrels, i believe bergara makes some non-cva barrels too.

i would choose a .50 ml over any other caliber just for the ease of finding components.

also some states do not allow 209 primers or optics during primitive weapons/ml season, and pa requires a flint lock for their ml season(if you plan on hunting a ml season as well)
 
CajunPower,
I've enjoyed reading your April postings. If there was a newbie of the month award, you'd be the hands-down front runner in the writing style, technical knowledge and graphics categories. This time, you've got me stumped with your:
I want one that shoots round balls as best as possible because of the first paragraph that I wrote. I think our government not only wants U.S. to NOT have guns, I think they are doing everything possible to limit our ability to get AMMO.
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Do you envision circumstances when lead balls would be available and conicals wouldn't? If lead balls are available, then aren't you just a bullet mold away from a superior shooting conical?
 
Encouragement and continuing knowledged

Zippy: Thanks for the encouragement!

Ya know ... yer right!

I didn't think of it that way. If I'm going to be casting my own round balls then I guess the questions I need to start asking are which mold I need to purchase for which modern inline ML rifle.

Thanks for pulling the switch on my brain train and getting it on the right track :-)

Hawg: Thanks, I'm going to take a serious look at that Lyman Great Plains
 
Percussion and Flint - Same Rifle

Hawg: ?

Have you ever heard of a Lyman Great Plains being set up so that it is easily interchangeable from percussion to flintlock, and then back again to percussion ... back and forth?
 
It has been done successfully a number of times. It involves changing both lock and barrel, of course, but takes only a few minutes. One very useful modification is to pin the barrel keys so they remain in the stock once they're backed out of the barrel tenons. I'll see if I can find my pictures of that mod.
 
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