how about fnh?

Tahunua, how you got a spur under your saddle I do not know, maybe you tried one, maybe you haven't, but I would suggest you try one before you down a product.

They are anything BUT plastic guns, except for the receivers the slide and barrels are all stainless steal. Maybe you think their fire control group should be different than S&W's or Glock's or Sig's or Ruger's or Beretta's, well my friend think again it is the new wave of semi-auto pistols. (putting metal parts in plastic frames)

Their customer service is outstanding and one of the best in the World. Yes, I said World. They are an International company that does most of their business (90%) with Governments instead of slobs like us. We should be thankful that they even bother with the retail market here in the US.

Overseas the label is "Browning" not FNH that you will find on all their handguns. They are still the only mfg of BHP not clones. As well as all of John Browning's original designs. Maybe you should ask some of your friends if they want to down their A-5's or BAR's or our troops if they want to get rid of their 249's and 240's or if they would rather have a Colt AR instead of a FNH ones.

Before you spit on someone else you should look down at your own shoes, they could use a spit shine.

Jim

 
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Bubits did a good design on the Steyrs.

I particularly like the sights on the Steyr; They capitalize on the fact that the brain instinctively follows a linear perspective to its end at the apex of the triangle.
 
Thanks Crankgrinder, if you get a chance to handle one go for it. Make sure that if nothing else ya dry fire and feel the reset on it, as well as seeing if the trap sights work for you.

Nothing against the Glock (I still have one for the time being), but the Steyr trigger is a completely different animal, it has steel sights out of the box, a better grip angle (to me), and it has an easier disassembly while at a lower price than it's fellow Austrian sibling (Blue Label pricing notwithstanding). Never seen them higher than $480 w/2 mags NIB @ Cabela's, regardless of model or caliber, and sometimes you can find them even cheaper online!
 
TunnelRat, the point I am making is that, somewhere along the line in the FN case and the GM case, somebody decided that "what was" was "good enough."

And I'd be willing to put money on the fact that there was a bean counter involved somewhere.
 
I took my little brother to the LGS to get a sub compact XD9. After handling the FNP9 he left with that. REALLY nice gun. For him it even came new with FIVE mags. I wouldn't hesitate to buy one or trade my XD9 for one. That trigger is a bajillion times better than my XD. I'm not familiar with why they dropped the FNP for the FNX, but I found no flaw in the FNP.

My $0.02 after shooting it only a bit.
 
To the OP's original and especially follow-up post, the DA/SA FN-X is superb imho. Ergonomics are excellent, controls are natural and the trigger beats Glock by a landslide. Comes with 3 17-round mags in the box which is awesome considering how a lot of manufacturers are cheaping out in that department these days. Go try one out, I think you'll end up buying one.
 
tahunua001 said:
as I said in my statement clear as day, I'm not saying they are junk
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No, they're just "poorly made" and "feel like toys". You essentially call them junk, and then in the next sentence say they're not junk. It's backpedaling.

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TunnelRat, the point I am making is that, somewhere along the line in the FN case and the GM case, somebody decided that "what was" was "good enough."
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But what FN "case"? Someone mentions a problem with the ambi safety and suddenly it's a case? In 64 pistols and counting I've seen issues with just about every manufacturer. But one example with a problem is not indicative of a widespread problem.
 
I have owned 3 FN's, a FNP9, FNS9 and an FNX40. Still have the 2 latter ones. I would put them up against any modern handgun made today for reliability and accuracy out of the box. Very fine handguns. I would trust my life with either of them.
 
I just bought a FNH in .45acp. Really nice weapon that can carry a lot of ammo. I had to Loctite the threaded barrel cap to keep it in place. Nice weapon.
 
Their current striker fired guns have a weird site problem where they shoot really high. Their polymer hammer fired guns are really nice.
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People just need to learn how to use the sights. They are a bit odd. I havent heard of any of those "sight" problems. I frequent the FN forum quite regularly.

I bought an FNS about 3 months ago. It has seen over 1000 rounds and hasnt malfunctioned once. It is a very accurate handgun and would pick it over a Glock, XD or M&P....even a PPQ any day.

For the $450ish price range you can find them for, you cannot lose.

Anyone who thinks their cheap, really should have their eyes checked.
 
There great guns. I took an FNS to frontsite and it never malfunctioned, shot great and handled brilliantly. Theres not to much aftermarket but the great part is that they come with 90% of what youd need. Optional night sights, comes with 3 mags, changeable backstraps,accesory rail, and lots of different variants (i see a lot of there competition 45 version, supressor ready and rails) The only problem you might have is holsters (a local maker made mine) and if you do want more mags there pricey. Also some people think the thumb safeties too small for a full size pistol. I never missed mine during a draw though. Overall I love mine and Id buy it beofre any other striker pistol.
 
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What makes it a terrible design? I'm legitimately curious. You'd think a design problem as obvious as you're intimating wouldn't have made it into production.
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In case there was any confusion, I was referring to the safety design. If you still want to know what makes it a terrible design, just take one apart. The right side safety lever just pops off. I'd take mine off to show you how it holds on but I fear it might not go back on as strong. Just take it apart and you'll see that the clip that holds it together is very flimsy and allows the right safety lever to spin freely without engaging the safety mechanism (imagine that happening in a defensive situation).

This is why I switched to carrying my .38 and now only use the FNX at the range. The problem wasn't bad enough for me to get rid of it and I do enjoy shooting it but I do feel like I can't fully rely on it like I should be able to rely on a carry weapon. This would only be a problem in one-handed (left handed, to be specific) operation but I figure I should carry a weapon that's "fool-proof" or as close to it as possible.

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Caruser4 said:
In case there was any confusion, I was referring to the safety design. If you still want to know what makes it a terrible design, just take one apart. The right side safety lever just pops off. I'd take mine off to show you how it holds on but I fear it might not go back on as strong. Just take it apart and you'll see that the clip that holds it together is very flimsy and allows the right safety lever to spin freely without engaging the safety mechanism (imagine that happening in a defensive situation).

This is why I switched to carrying my .38 and now only use the FNX at the range. The problem wasn't bad enough for me to get rid of it and I do enjoy shooting it but I do feel like I can't fully rely on it like I should be able to rely on a carry weapon. This would only be a problem in one-handed (left handed, to be specific) operation but I figure I should carry a weapon that's "fool-proof" or as close to it as possible.

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That doesn't sound normal. Did you ever call FN?
 
Tahunua, how you got a spur under your saddle I do not know
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as I have stated twice!!! I am not downing anthing, I am simply saying that the prices they are asking are not in line with the quality of their work.
They are anything BUT plastic guns, except for the receivers the slide and barrels are all stainless steal.
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look at the FN 57, the slides are also plastic coated and contain little actual metal, that is why I specified the 5.7 when I said that it was 75% plastic.
Maybe you should ask some of your friends if they want to down their A-5's or BAR's or our troops if they want to get rid of their 249's and 240's or if they would rather have a Colt AR instead of a FNH ones.

Before you spit on someone else you should look down at your own shoes, they could use a spit shine.
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I suggest you seriously read my previous posts because I see a lot of people getting very emotional because of my own opinions. as for the equipment our troops get, the morons that don't maintain their weapons claim that they're garbage no matter the brand and those that do think they are the greatest things ever designed. it has nothing to do with brand recognition and everything to do how dedicated they are to making do with what they have. I used to be one of those troops you speak of and I very much think your hypothetical question is borderline moronical. anything is better than nothing and 90% of those troops that use those guns will never touch another weapon besides what they are issued and when speaking of the heavy weapons, 99% will never touch another machine gun beside what they are issued so really, unless they have experience, of course they will tell you it's the best they've ever used.

for that matter, their work with rifles, autos, and heavy weapons has no bearing on their work with handguns or even their work with other models of rifles, or heavy weapons. bushmaster used to be very respected for their AR15s(pre cerberus), however there is little doubt that their M17 bullpups were utter junk. Ruger has been one of the most respected US arms manufacturers for decades but the ruger red label(pre-reboot) is not respected in any sense. Remington was being considered to take over the M4 production for the US government and their R51 is one of the biggest handgun flops ever. are you seeing trends here? just because FN Herstal can make good guns for the US military does not mean that 1 or more of their handgun product lines are of the utmost quality.

I will say for a 4th time because apparently it is not sinking in. FNH HANDGUNS are not garbage. I am not bashing them. THEIR PRICES ARE NOT IN LINE WITH THE QUALITY OF THEIR HANDGUNS! I am no fan of glocks but I would rather buy a $500 glock than a $600 FNS. I am no fan of Beretta, but I would rather buy a $400 PX4 than a $400 FNP. I am not a huge fan of 1911s but I would rather buy a $1100 semicustom 1911 than $1100 for a FN57.
 
as I have stated twice!!! I am not downing anthing, I am simply saying that the prices they are asking are not in line with the quality of their work.
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You can buy them around $450......I dont see how it isnt worth that.
 
TunnelRat said:
Sorry I missed that part
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I found the old piece that failed on me.

Yes, that tiny (probably can't even see it) piece of metal that looks almost bronze inside the hole is what grabs onto the safety mechanism and it is a very flawed design (in my opinion).

YMMV
 

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