honest question- not intended to inflame
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It dose not matter I have my values and somebody else has theres the new inlines are neat but they have no history to them they are modern guns H&R started the craze back abought 1968 with their muzzle loading 12 gauge Huntsman the first inline gun now 30 years later every body is copying it Well I like it all I was the first Kid on my street to have a 12 gauge H&R Huntsman way back in 1971 I basicly grew up with it I still have it I use it all the time Thats right target shoot hunt round ball shot it dose it all well I also hunt with a jap matchlock and a 14 th century Handgonne a repro of Morko hand gonne and brown bess all I can say is lets not bicker lets celebrate that so many people are enjoying the shooting sports
First, I don't care for modern in-lines. No "feel" to them for me. That woudln't stop me from using one though. At that point I'd look at it as a frontiersman would - it's a tool. As to historic precedents, the earliest in-line I know of was made from parts of a Hall breech-loader. Besides being ugly :barf:, it was hated by the Confederates who received them.
I am proud to say I shoot a Savage 10MLII "smokeless" muzzle loader- yes -it's an inline- and no I don't use it for just the muzzleloader season- here in Ohio its alsomy gun for the general gun season- the accuraccy and range tops the shotguns by far- I still like my sidelocks but the savage is my hunting gun- and it's one of the safest guns out there!
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Unfortunately a very large percentage of M/L shooters don't do much to try to foster interest in their concept of shooting. When I've tried to learn anything from most of them here, and where I lived in N.M their attitude was more like "Davy" learned without getting scalped and so did I. so go find out for yourself. It's no wonder many newcomers to blackpowder sought out something which was slightly more familiar to them to learn with. Many aren't farm boys who can learn out behind the barn. It takes an effort to find a place and time to acquire some measure of skill so they don't want to waste the time. In addition, the bad comments I've seen about "Spanish Barrels" in some posts turns most people away from the only entry level side-hammer styles they can afford and shifts them to the only other available firearms which happen to be in-lines.
Unfortunately a very large percentage of M/L shooters don't do much to try to foster interest in their concept of shooting. When I've tried to learn anything from most of them here, and where I lived in N.M their attitude was more like "Davy" learned without getting scalped and so did I. so go find out for yourself. It's no wonder many newcomers to blackpowder sought out something which was slightly more familiar to them to learn with. Many aren't farm boys who can learn out behind the barn. It takes an effort to find a place and time to acquire some measure of skill so they don't want to waste the time. In addition, the bad comments I've seen about "Spanish Barrels" in some posts turns most people away from the only entry level side-hammer styles they can afford and shifts them to the only other available firearms which happen to be in-lines.
suthincomfort
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buckskins?
HERE in arkansas you have to wear a bright orange vest to deerhunt . sorta ruins it for those of us that'd like to hunt with buckskins etc. i just grab the possibles bag n orange crappy vest n go in whatever i'm in when going. all the camo in the world won't help when ya gotta wear orange.
HERE in arkansas you have to wear a bright orange vest to deerhunt . sorta ruins it for those of us that'd like to hunt with buckskins etc. i just grab the possibles bag n orange crappy vest n go in whatever i'm in when going. all the camo in the world won't help when ya gotta wear orange.
suthincomfort
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buckskins?
HERE in arkansas you have to wear a bright orange vest to deerhunt . sorta ruins it for those of us that'd like to hunt with buckskins etc. i just grab the possibles bag n orange crappy vest n go in whatever i'm in when going. all the camo in the world won't help when ya gotta wear orange.
HERE in arkansas you have to wear a bright orange vest to deerhunt . sorta ruins it for those of us that'd like to hunt with buckskins etc. i just grab the possibles bag n orange crappy vest n go in whatever i'm in when going. all the camo in the world won't help when ya gotta wear orange.
DonR101395
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Does that mean that you should only be allowed to bow hunt with a long bow also? Just curious, because I've never heard much arguing amonst bow hunters who used compound bows vs long bows.
Smokin_Gun
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It's this kind of additude that kindles the feelings of Traditional(Real)Muzzleloader Hunters/Shooters to feel as they do towards In-Line Modern so called Muzzleloaders... I surely will extend the same courtesy that you just did.
I could care less about In-lines as long as they don't continue to screw up hunting and/or gun laws for the rest of us.
Smokin_Gun
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Blastfamy!!! They ain't no such thing...LoL! They is Cap&Ball Revolvers is what they is Historically, Traditionally, and Actually Factually...HeHe!Wild Bill Bucks
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I have owned both, and I don't have any problem with either type as far as accuracy, or cleaning, as both types will have to be cleaned after use. I choose to use an inline simply because I don't want to sit in the rain all day, and get a shot, just to have the water soaked percussion cap, snap. I have tried all kinds of plastic around the cap, and a rubber over the barrel, and all the other things that is supposed to keep them dry. I have also missed several deer because of dampness, using all these techniques. Inlines will go off when you pull the trigger, and so far, I have not had a primer cap that didn't fire the load, rain or no rain.
I use a scope simply because of my eye-sight, and not being able to see my open sights anymore. I don't feel that it makes me any better shooter, than when I was using open sights, but it does enable me to see what I'm shooting at, much better.
The more innovations that are made to a sport, just makes the sport more popular, and lets face it, there are plenty of deer to go around.
Having an inline Vs traditional isn't going to make you a better hunter or a better shooter.
I use a scope simply because of my eye-sight, and not being able to see my open sights anymore. I don't feel that it makes me any better shooter, than when I was using open sights, but it does enable me to see what I'm shooting at, much better.
The more innovations that are made to a sport, just makes the sport more popular, and lets face it, there are plenty of deer to go around.
Having an inline Vs traditional isn't going to make you a better hunter or a better shooter.
sundance44s
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sundance44s
Couldn`t help but throw in my 2 cents .. after much thought and much obersavation ... i think us old farts like to do things the hard way because we only wish to be as much a man as our fore fathers .... thats what makes us proud ... and it has something to do with the way we were brought up ..
The young men of today , they were brought up in a high tech world ..and to them an in line gun is pretty primitive ....guys remember your first car? now remember your sons first car ? do you see what i mean ? lets just be proud they are out there hunting and hope they eat what they kill ... and i`ll die a happy front stuffing , side lock shooting ...hero in my own mind . inline guys ..happy hunting ..and lets keep die hard Americans able to feed their selves .. and protect their right to keep and bear arms ... no matter where the cap is on their guns .
Couldn`t help but throw in my 2 cents .. after much thought and much obersavation ... i think us old farts like to do things the hard way because we only wish to be as much a man as our fore fathers .... thats what makes us proud ... and it has something to do with the way we were brought up ..
The young men of today , they were brought up in a high tech world ..and to them an in line gun is pretty primitive ....guys remember your first car? now remember your sons first car ? do you see what i mean ? lets just be proud they are out there hunting and hope they eat what they kill ... and i`ll die a happy front stuffing , side lock shooting ...hero in my own mind . inline guys ..happy hunting ..and lets keep die hard Americans able to feed their selves .. and protect their right to keep and bear arms ... no matter where the cap is on their guns .
Wow.
I personally haven't been muzzleloader hunting in a few years. I distinctly remember my first time, at the end of the day, taking aim at a rotting old tree stump and getting a sharp WHACK!! out of my sidehammer. Talk about disappointing when I was expecting a great loud KABOOM!! I learned how to keep a sidehammer running and fired a couple quite a few times.
Just today though, I went out an traded for a brand-new Thompson Center Encore Pro Hunter Katahdin 209x50. What a major difference! Where my old sidehammer with a #11 cap would start to misfire after 3 rounds, the Encore will reliably set everything ablaze. Doesn't kick too badly loaded with 2 Pyrodex pellets and a Powerbely bullet either.
I'm admittedly looking forward to taking it deer hunting this season. Although I am considering a companion .45-70 barrel for it for regular deer season, I may just use it as-is the whole season. We'll see.
Now someday I'd really like a .45 cal flinter for a range gun. But for making meat, honestly, I want the inline and the 209, as long as the law allows it.
I personally haven't been muzzleloader hunting in a few years. I distinctly remember my first time, at the end of the day, taking aim at a rotting old tree stump and getting a sharp WHACK!! out of my sidehammer. Talk about disappointing when I was expecting a great loud KABOOM!!
I learned how to keep a sidehammer running and fired a couple quite a few times.Just today though, I went out an traded for a brand-new Thompson Center Encore Pro Hunter Katahdin 209x50. What a major difference! Where my old sidehammer with a #11 cap would start to misfire after 3 rounds, the Encore will reliably set everything ablaze. Doesn't kick too badly loaded with 2 Pyrodex pellets and a Powerbely bullet either.
I'm admittedly looking forward to taking it deer hunting this season. Although I am considering a companion .45-70 barrel for it for regular deer season, I may just use it as-is the whole season. We'll see.
Now someday I'd really like a .45 cal flinter for a range gun. But for making meat, honestly, I want the inline and the 209, as long as the law allows it.
DonR101395, there is quite a similar division in the bowhunting community. The compound bow shooters are comparable to the in line shooters, the recurve and longbow shooters comparable with the sidehammer percussion shooters, and the primitive all-wood-and-sinew-I-made-it-myself folks comparable to those who only go with flintlocks or earlier technology.
Several others have stated the same thing I feel about the issue. Personally, I just don't like in lines. I will not hunt with one only because I think they are UuUuUgly! I don't own a compound bow for exactly the same reason, along with their complication which makes them difficult to do any repairs without a bow vise, etc. That said, I am happy others have discovered hunting through the use of whichever technology they have chosen. In our modern world the hunting community has diminished as a percentage of the population to such a degree that we just can't afford to have internal squabbles about equipment. The anti-hunting people just love it!
Steve
Several others have stated the same thing I feel about the issue. Personally, I just don't like in lines. I will not hunt with one only because I think they are UuUuUgly! I don't own a compound bow for exactly the same reason, along with their complication which makes them difficult to do any repairs without a bow vise, etc. That said, I am happy others have discovered hunting through the use of whichever technology they have chosen. In our modern world the hunting community has diminished as a percentage of the population to such a degree that we just can't afford to have internal squabbles about equipment. The anti-hunting people just love it!
Steve
Steve,
Absolutely correct. I don't like them either, but that's just me. Anyone else wants one, he's welcome to them.
Same as the gungrabbers taking them away 1 type at a time. The way they did in Australia, England and Canada.
"Assault weapons" were OK to go by a large number of shooters who don't use them. Who cares? Semis have been targeted. Bullets have been targeted.
Now, we sound like we'd just as soon take ILs away from hunters who find them easier to shoot than traditionals.
Remember, they take away theirs, yours will be next, and they won't care if they take away yours, because they are no longer in the shooting sports.
We hang together or we hang seperately.
Cheers,
George
(I think someone famous said that about 230 years ago.)
Absolutely correct. I don't like them either, but that's just me. Anyone else wants one, he's welcome to them.
Same as the gungrabbers taking them away 1 type at a time. The way they did in Australia, England and Canada.
"Assault weapons" were OK to go by a large number of shooters who don't use them. Who cares? Semis have been targeted. Bullets have been targeted.
Now, we sound like we'd just as soon take ILs away from hunters who find them easier to shoot than traditionals.
Remember, they take away theirs, yours will be next, and they won't care if they take away yours, because they are no longer in the shooting sports.
We hang together or we hang seperately.
Cheers,
George
(I think someone famous said that about 230 years ago.)
DonR101395
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Thanks Steve, GM,
I haven't hunted in a few years since moving to Florida. I used to hunt bow (Bear Kodiak recurve), but never got into the blackpowder much. I've been getting more interest in BP as of late though and have to agree I don't care for the inline rifle looks, but I'm glad people are at least getting out and shooting.
I haven't hunted in a few years since moving to Florida. I used to hunt bow (Bear Kodiak recurve), but never got into the blackpowder much. I've been getting more interest in BP as of late though and have to agree I don't care for the inline rifle looks, but I'm glad people are at least getting out and shooting.
My 2 cents. I started deer hunting with a used compound bow. No firearm season was available in my Texas county. I learned to hunt with it and bagged my first deer the second season. Advanced to a new compound and had more success. I learned and got better hunting and took up a recurve. Took my first deer with a recurve. Loved it!
I moved to a county that has all three seasons. I bought a rifle and took deer the first year. I still hunt archery season with success but wanted to learn firearm hunting. I purchased an IL muzzleloader last year and shot my first deer with open sights. Loved it!
Now I am wanting to build my own flintlock and harvest a deer with it.
If I didn't experience the IL muzzleloader hunting, I probably wouldn't be wanting to go more primative.
I just think that any type of hunting that is legal and done with good respect for others and the wildlife is a great thing. I am thankful every day I walk into the woods with whatever weapon I choose.
Freedom of choice, I carried an M16 for 9 years to ensure you can carry whatever the law allows into your local woods.
Enjoy it and enjoy having the ability to express your opinion.
I moved to a county that has all three seasons. I bought a rifle and took deer the first year. I still hunt archery season with success but wanted to learn firearm hunting. I purchased an IL muzzleloader last year and shot my first deer with open sights. Loved it!
Now I am wanting to build my own flintlock and harvest a deer with it.
If I didn't experience the IL muzzleloader hunting, I probably wouldn't be wanting to go more primative.
I just think that any type of hunting that is legal and done with good respect for others and the wildlife is a great thing. I am thankful every day I walk into the woods with whatever weapon I choose.
Freedom of choice, I carried an M16 for 9 years to ensure you can carry whatever the law allows into your local woods.
Enjoy it and enjoy having the ability to express your opinion.
When people talk about the sidelocks being inferior and inefficient because of misfires in the rain or whatever there are two reasons to me. One reason is that there are unscrupulous venders out there that sell bad guns cheaply constructed. That is one of the main reasons the in-line took root. Cheap sidelocks that were difficult to keep shooting. Cheap sidelocks with the wrong rifling twist and depth for conicals. Cheap sidelocks with flash channels with 90 degree route from the cap to the powder. ect. ect. A lot of people didn't know how to keep the guns shooting consistantly. Then the inline was born out of those frustrations and was touted as better. They were in general. They finally had rifling condusive to firing conicals accurately. Flash channels that had a straight route from the flash to the powder ect. ect. In the early years of the inlines it was just difficult to buy a good sidelock. It was even more difficult to buy a good custom sidelock. In general the inlines were and are still better guns than most sidelocks for the general shooting fraternity. A buckskinner may take even the cheapest sidelock out and make meat efficiently but only because they understand the problems with the guns and know how to make them work well. They understand the inefficiencies of the sidelocks.I'm not saying the side locks are not good guns. I guess I'm saying too many of them were just cheap junk and a lot of people didn't understand why.If there wasn't so many cheap junk ill designed sidelocks on the market the inline would never have been born.
The other reason sidelocks are considered inferior is the lack of understanding about shooting blackpowder and muzzleloading rifles. A good sidelock is just as efficient of a hunting weapon as an inline rifle. The person just has to know how to keep the sidelock shooting well in all the different weather conditions. The sidelocks are just as faithful as the inline if the person knows what they are doing with them. I have sidelocks that I've hunted deer with for 25 years. I was lucky to have read magazines and such (MuzzleBlasts ect. ect.) to teach me the knowledge the old timers used to keep making meat with them. I learned because I was fixated on hunting like "Jerimiah Johnson" hee hee I've hunted in pouring rain for a week just to finally take my shot at the buck with a rifle loaded the first day of the season. The sidelock Hawken fired just fine after a week in the rain.I knew how to keep the powder and cap dry. I improvised on the old timers act of using wax to seal the cap and muzzle. I knew how to do it even in the rain if need be and carried the tools to do it. I later improved the method by using a percussion cap can full of "Toilet sealing wax" to seal the gun. Sticky wax. I had my brother drop my rifle in a creek crossing and have it submerged in the water and still days later kill a buck with it and had no fear of misfire and didn't reload the gun after using it in the rain and having it fall into the creek and be submerged. The cap was sealed with the sticky wax and the muzzle was sealed with a little circle of wax cough drop wrapper stuck to the muzzle with the sticky toilet ring wax. hee hee The gun would have fired under water if need be, hee hee There are people that can hunt all day in the rain with a flintlock and have it fire when the need arises. The average guy doesn't have the time or interest to mess around with all that kind of stuff. They work hard all week and want to pick up a rifle and go hunt without all the finicky tricky stuff to contend with. The inlines were built for them. The average working man that doesn't have the time nor inclination to be like a buckskinner and learn all the tricks of the trade. Anyhow I'm a dyed in the wool traditionalist but I know a good rifle when I see one and the inlines are good rifles mostly. There are still cheapies out there and it pays to stick with the major manufacturers and pay the money for a good one. There are inlines out there that bullet weight for bullet weight and vel. for vel. they are firing projectiles that rival the 458 Winchester magnum and the 30-06. There is a rifle out there that can fire 250 grains of powder! Well if a guy doesn't give in to the urge to try to shoot beyond his capabilities and wound game with his long range inline rifle then the rifles can be efficient hunting tools. The sidelocks can be very fine hunting tools too. Just not as flat shooting or as far shooting as most inlines. In truth though how many men take the time to get to be good enough with their new inlines to shoot out to 200-300 yards off-hand and be ethical while hunting game animals? I think most average people are lucky to hit a kill zone of a game animal consistantly at 50-75 yards. I guess I'm saying that sidelocks and inlines both are up to the task of hunting game when the capabilities of the average hunter are taken into account. Within the distances that the average hunter(over worked and little time for range practice) can shoot consistantly even the "round lead ball" is plenty of bullet to kill most anything. I build sidelock Hawkens rifles for hunting and display. I have made round ball guns and conical guns. The right barrels and rifling for whichever projectile a person wishes to shoot. I hunt with a homemade Hawken that fires a 500 grain lead bullet over 75 grains of FFg powder and it will keep up with and even out shoot an inline using twice the powder even at long range. My rifle is effectively a 45/70 shooting the 500grain bullet. Slow and deadly even on large game out to 800 yards and beyond. Using 75 grains of powder. It is actually akin to a Sharps or Rolling block rifle shooting blackpowder cartridges. Rainbow trajectory galore. The longest shot I've taken on deer sized game? About 100 yards. Most of my shots anymore are as close as three yards on deer. I'm old and can't see well and wait fer the shot. I get my limit of deer every season. Lucky and experienced I guess. I can use the round ball which is a very efficient killer of game or the conicals. I have both types of rifles. I've never had a deer escape the killing powder of a lead round ball. They go down right now! I guess I'm saying the 150 grains of powder and all the conicals shooting from inlines like high powered smokeless rifles aren't needed. I guess I respect the use of the inlines and the hunters that use them though because the inlines are efficient hunting tools. Anyhow...if anyone is wondering how I can load a 45/70 lead bullet weighing 500grains into my muzzleloader I'll tell you. The rifle barrel maker that made the barrel for me rifled it the same as his 45/70 cartridge barrels and made a bullet swage from the end of the barrel after rifling it. The bullets are placed on the bullet swage and are tapped thru base first with a rubber hammer and then driven thru with a dowell rod. The bullet is engraved with the rifling so loading is very easy. Without the bullet swage the bullets would turn into lead mushrooms when trying to load them into the muzzle. hee hee I've been pondering gettin one of those Savage rifles that are muzzleloading and can use modern smokeless powder. hee hee I'd like to build a Hawken that could use smokess powder. Just for the challenge of it. I'm thinking of building a muzzleloader that is made from converting a Sharps rifle from cartridge to muzzleloader. I'd like to convert a Remington Rolling Block cartridge rifle to muzzleloader too.Hee Hee Cartridge rifles aren't lawful in this state I live in. Funny. Inlines that are more powerful than quite a few good cartridge rifles are allowed but not the cartridge rifles. Cartridge rifles like the 45/70 and the 30-30, and the 44 magmun carbine lever action. There are inlines that are farther shooting and more powderful than those but the cartridge rifles aren't allowed in this state. Maybe I should get an inline that can fire a 250 grain projectile in the 458 Winchester or 30-06 range of power?
The other reason sidelocks are considered inferior is the lack of understanding about shooting blackpowder and muzzleloading rifles. A good sidelock is just as efficient of a hunting weapon as an inline rifle. The person just has to know how to keep the sidelock shooting well in all the different weather conditions. The sidelocks are just as faithful as the inline if the person knows what they are doing with them. I have sidelocks that I've hunted deer with for 25 years. I was lucky to have read magazines and such (MuzzleBlasts ect. ect.) to teach me the knowledge the old timers used to keep making meat with them. I learned because I was fixated on hunting like "Jerimiah Johnson" hee hee I've hunted in pouring rain for a week just to finally take my shot at the buck with a rifle loaded the first day of the season. The sidelock Hawken fired just fine after a week in the rain.I knew how to keep the powder and cap dry. I improvised on the old timers act of using wax to seal the cap and muzzle. I knew how to do it even in the rain if need be and carried the tools to do it. I later improved the method by using a percussion cap can full of "Toilet sealing wax" to seal the gun. Sticky wax. I had my brother drop my rifle in a creek crossing and have it submerged in the water and still days later kill a buck with it and had no fear of misfire and didn't reload the gun after using it in the rain and having it fall into the creek and be submerged. The cap was sealed with the sticky wax and the muzzle was sealed with a little circle of wax cough drop wrapper stuck to the muzzle with the sticky toilet ring wax. hee hee The gun would have fired under water if need be, hee hee There are people that can hunt all day in the rain with a flintlock and have it fire when the need arises. The average guy doesn't have the time or interest to mess around with all that kind of stuff. They work hard all week and want to pick up a rifle and go hunt without all the finicky tricky stuff to contend with. The inlines were built for them. The average working man that doesn't have the time nor inclination to be like a buckskinner and learn all the tricks of the trade. Anyhow I'm a dyed in the wool traditionalist but I know a good rifle when I see one and the inlines are good rifles mostly. There are still cheapies out there and it pays to stick with the major manufacturers and pay the money for a good one. There are inlines out there that bullet weight for bullet weight and vel. for vel. they are firing projectiles that rival the 458 Winchester magnum and the 30-06. There is a rifle out there that can fire 250 grains of powder! Well if a guy doesn't give in to the urge to try to shoot beyond his capabilities and wound game with his long range inline rifle then the rifles can be efficient hunting tools. The sidelocks can be very fine hunting tools too. Just not as flat shooting or as far shooting as most inlines. In truth though how many men take the time to get to be good enough with their new inlines to shoot out to 200-300 yards off-hand and be ethical while hunting game animals? I think most average people are lucky to hit a kill zone of a game animal consistantly at 50-75 yards. I guess I'm saying that sidelocks and inlines both are up to the task of hunting game when the capabilities of the average hunter are taken into account. Within the distances that the average hunter(over worked and little time for range practice) can shoot consistantly even the "round lead ball" is plenty of bullet to kill most anything. I build sidelock Hawkens rifles for hunting and display. I have made round ball guns and conical guns. The right barrels and rifling for whichever projectile a person wishes to shoot. I hunt with a homemade Hawken that fires a 500 grain lead bullet over 75 grains of FFg powder and it will keep up with and even out shoot an inline using twice the powder even at long range. My rifle is effectively a 45/70 shooting the 500grain bullet. Slow and deadly even on large game out to 800 yards and beyond. Using 75 grains of powder. It is actually akin to a Sharps or Rolling block rifle shooting blackpowder cartridges. Rainbow trajectory galore. The longest shot I've taken on deer sized game? About 100 yards. Most of my shots anymore are as close as three yards on deer. I'm old and can't see well and wait fer the shot. I get my limit of deer every season. Lucky and experienced I guess. I can use the round ball which is a very efficient killer of game or the conicals. I have both types of rifles. I've never had a deer escape the killing powder of a lead round ball. They go down right now! I guess I'm saying the 150 grains of powder and all the conicals shooting from inlines like high powered smokeless rifles aren't needed. I guess I respect the use of the inlines and the hunters that use them though because the inlines are efficient hunting tools. Anyhow...if anyone is wondering how I can load a 45/70 lead bullet weighing 500grains into my muzzleloader I'll tell you. The rifle barrel maker that made the barrel for me rifled it the same as his 45/70 cartridge barrels and made a bullet swage from the end of the barrel after rifling it. The bullets are placed on the bullet swage and are tapped thru base first with a rubber hammer and then driven thru with a dowell rod. The bullet is engraved with the rifling so loading is very easy. Without the bullet swage the bullets would turn into lead mushrooms when trying to load them into the muzzle. hee hee I've been pondering gettin one of those Savage rifles that are muzzleloading and can use modern smokeless powder. hee hee I'd like to build a Hawken that could use smokess powder. Just for the challenge of it. I'm thinking of building a muzzleloader that is made from converting a Sharps rifle from cartridge to muzzleloader. I'd like to convert a Remington Rolling Block cartridge rifle to muzzleloader too.Hee Hee Cartridge rifles aren't lawful in this state I live in. Funny. Inlines that are more powerful than quite a few good cartridge rifles are allowed but not the cartridge rifles. Cartridge rifles like the 45/70 and the 30-30, and the 44 magmun carbine lever action. There are inlines that are farther shooting and more powderful than those but the cartridge rifles aren't allowed in this state. Maybe I should get an inline that can fire a 250 grain projectile in the 458 Winchester or 30-06 range of power?
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Doubletaptap
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Sidelocks vs inlines
No comparison. Totally different animals.
The only thing they have in common is you load em in front.
The caplock is a very dependable ingition system. So is the 209 primer,maybe even a little more so because it's refined and engineered to death.
The inline is built to fire heavy or light projectiles with emongus loads of powder for long distances accurately.
The caplock would not stand the pressures of inline loads without hammer blowback or blowing the drum off the barrel.
I've seen the inside of a lock tore apart by a fool and his (too much) powder.
Both can be fun to shoot. Both will make meat. Both can be very accurate.
Both can be expensive. Both can give you trouble.
It's up the owner what they enjoy. I don't see why there has to be a "which is better". It's like comparing a single shot bolt action to a semi-auto.
I figger if ya want to make a muzzleloader shoot like a 30-06, save time and frustration and go get a 30-06.
Inlines vs Cappers. No comparison. Same as flinters vs rope burners or wheelies. They're just two different type machines.
No comparison. Totally different animals.
The only thing they have in common is you load em in front.
The caplock is a very dependable ingition system. So is the 209 primer,maybe even a little more so because it's refined and engineered to death.
The inline is built to fire heavy or light projectiles with emongus loads of powder for long distances accurately.
The caplock would not stand the pressures of inline loads without hammer blowback or blowing the drum off the barrel.
I've seen the inside of a lock tore apart by a fool and his (too much) powder.
Both can be fun to shoot. Both will make meat. Both can be very accurate.
Both can be expensive. Both can give you trouble.
It's up the owner what they enjoy. I don't see why there has to be a "which is better". It's like comparing a single shot bolt action to a semi-auto.
I figger if ya want to make a muzzleloader shoot like a 30-06, save time and frustration and go get a 30-06.
Inlines vs Cappers. No comparison. Same as flinters vs rope burners or wheelies. They're just two different type machines.
I suppose that many hunt with a ML to get an extra week or two to of deer hunting, depending on your state. I have done this myself.
The inlines have advantages in pure performace- no doubt. I don't sneer at the inline guys for employing those advantages, anymore than I feel animosity toward the guy using a scoped 7mm Mag, while I am out hunting with an iron-sighted 4" S&W .44 magnum- or my primitive-sighted .50 Hawken. He is going to make shots that I can't even think about. That's OK. The deer I have killed with my old sixgun will be remembered, long after those I have placed in the crosshairs of my 30-06.
Handgun hunting has taught me that all hunting is a game of self-imposed limitations. Hunt with whatever you want, but be man enough to not whine about the other guy's rig. You can always go get yourself a .278 Superwakazooma Short Fat Ultramag and a 39 power tacticool night scope with rangefinders, mildots and about 12 other things clutter your field of view. You might even see the deer you kill well enough to remember what he looked like in his natural element, right before you sent that mini-ICBM into his neighborhood.
It'll be cool with me if you do. I'll be the guy over the hill, who plunks an inefficient old .44 or .50 slug through the ones you scare out- when that howitzer goes off.
It's all good. At least we're out here hunting, instead of sitting on the couch listening to some moron explain what last week's news 'meant'.
The inlines have advantages in pure performace- no doubt. I don't sneer at the inline guys for employing those advantages, anymore than I feel animosity toward the guy using a scoped 7mm Mag, while I am out hunting with an iron-sighted 4" S&W .44 magnum- or my primitive-sighted .50 Hawken. He is going to make shots that I can't even think about. That's OK. The deer I have killed with my old sixgun will be remembered, long after those I have placed in the crosshairs of my 30-06.
Handgun hunting has taught me that all hunting is a game of self-imposed limitations. Hunt with whatever you want, but be man enough to not whine about the other guy's rig. You can always go get yourself a .278 Superwakazooma Short Fat Ultramag and a 39 power tacticool night scope with rangefinders, mildots and about 12 other things clutter your field of view. You might even see the deer you kill well enough to remember what he looked like in his natural element, right before you sent that mini-ICBM into his neighborhood.
It'll be cool with me if you do. I'll be the guy over the hill, who plunks an inefficient old .44 or .50 slug through the ones you scare out- when that howitzer goes off.
It's all good. At least we're out here hunting, instead of sitting on the couch listening to some moron explain what last week's news 'meant'.