Home Invasion 101: failure
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TexasJustice7
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You know I have a double locked deadbolt door where I live, only way in too.
And while I would not make a sound if someone was kicking the door in I would probably wait till they got the door down before I started firing with a
CA 44 Bulldog. And I live in a bad area, so I thought I would just run this by
my police officer friend, what he would do as he also lives in another apartment complex. He said he would shoot thru the door unless they identified themselves as police. I said what if it turned out to be some drunk?
And he said they should not have picked his house. So I think most people around here would. My brother, another police officer said when the door starts to heave. Thats two for two, in law enforcement, but I want to be sure
I see what I am shooting at. I never made sound shots hunting deer when I grew up.
TexasJustice7
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I am no so certain about that, but I just will give no warning, but will wait till I can be sure I will hit whoever is coming thru a double locked deadbolted door that has to be kicked in. Waiting till I can see the intruder, helps me
be able to make my shots count but also takes a chance if he comes in shooting he may hit me. I am reluctant to criticize those who are in career law enforcement. Those people who live in safe areas however, probably don't even have to worry about anyone knocking their door down anyway, and probably have a security service as well. Apt complexes in rural ares of
Texas however, are exposed to more crime, and dopeheads looking for money to fund their drug habits.
I saw however, on First 48 that Dallas which I thought was a fairly safe city
with three carjackers killing a man, in a botched robbery. They got 30, 20 and 20 year sentences. Whether it is an intruder breaking a door down, or
a carjacker doing a robbery, the victims can follow all the rules and the laws,
and end up dead. This is why I like the laws on the books in Texas. Any person who is willing to burglarize a haibitation is quite willing to do any other
crime if someone happens to be home, including murdering the victim.
I think most people who educate themselves about SD / HD do some basic things like identify the choke points in their house and points of entry / egress.
I am fortunate in the layout of my condo in that my kid's bedroom is further down the hall than my bedroom - so, my door opens on the hall which is the choke point for my home.
In addition to identifying chokepoints, I think most people think about cover.
I basically have no cover in my home, except the minimal cover provided by 2x4s of a door frame.
I had German Sheperds my whole life and I found them to be really intelligent, courageous dogs with natural gaurd instincts. One of my German Sheperds actually patrolled our house several times a night, looked into every bedroom, looked out every window, and then would lay down at at the top of the stairs - the point where all bedrooms and family members could best be gaurded. Unfotunately I have a daughter who is allergic to dogs so the gaurd dog option is out while we look for a dog she's not allergic too. And she's already proven to be allergic to some supposedly hypo-allergenic breeds.
My feeling is that if I am upstairs and intruders are downstairs I can shout "Get out of here - I'm armed, I'm calling the police !" And they would probably flee. And I could be ready to defend the hallway until the police arrived.
But if I don't wake up until they are in my upstairs hallway... my feeling is that shouting or yelling "freeze" or something like that is just going to get me shot.
Unfortunately, we live in a litagaous society where a good portion of jurors have no idea about the reality of the dynamics of shootouts and have many misconceptions fostered by Hollywood's ridiculous portrayals. And there are lawyers who know how to expertly exploit those misconceptions.
I think that's why a solid Castle Doctrine with no burden to retreat is so so important.
I am fortunate in the layout of my condo in that my kid's bedroom is further down the hall than my bedroom - so, my door opens on the hall which is the choke point for my home.
In addition to identifying chokepoints, I think most people think about cover.
I basically have no cover in my home, except the minimal cover provided by 2x4s of a door frame.
I had German Sheperds my whole life and I found them to be really intelligent, courageous dogs with natural gaurd instincts. One of my German Sheperds actually patrolled our house several times a night, looked into every bedroom, looked out every window, and then would lay down at at the top of the stairs - the point where all bedrooms and family members could best be gaurded. Unfotunately I have a daughter who is allergic to dogs so the gaurd dog option is out while we look for a dog she's not allergic too. And she's already proven to be allergic to some supposedly hypo-allergenic breeds.
My feeling is that if I am upstairs and intruders are downstairs I can shout "Get out of here - I'm armed, I'm calling the police !" And they would probably flee. And I could be ready to defend the hallway until the police arrived.
But if I don't wake up until they are in my upstairs hallway... my feeling is that shouting or yelling "freeze" or something like that is just going to get me shot.
Unfortunately, we live in a litagaous society where a good portion of jurors have no idea about the reality of the dynamics of shootouts and have many misconceptions fostered by Hollywood's ridiculous portrayals. And there are lawyers who know how to expertly exploit those misconceptions.
I think that's why a solid Castle Doctrine with no burden to retreat is so so important.
C0untZer0, have you looked at standard poodles yet? Don't give them the stupid poodle haircut, and you have a 60lb, intelligent, hypo-allergenic dog.
A friend's standard poodle once really tore up a German shepherd that made the poor decision to come over the fence and attack the standard. (Standards were originally hunting dogs.)
A friend's standard poodle once really tore up a German shepherd that made the poor decision to come over the fence and attack the standard. (Standards were originally hunting dogs.)
As a Retired Army Officer living in a remote and isolated location, I have analysied and planned my home defense as I would a LogBase.
My animals are my early warning system. They roam our acreage at night and alert us to any intruders.
Solar powered motion activated security lights surround the home. These lights will back light any intruder. While I remain in shadow.
The home is hardened to slow entry and create lots of noise if someone is attemting to enter.
The Interior layout forces intruders to move in a predictable pattern.
Once again lights are motion activated a entry points so they will back light the intruder.
As in any castle, I have a keep. This is our last defensive position. The door is hardened. The furniture provides cover. We have sufficient arms, ammunition, and water to hold out for several hours if not days.
Cell phones are maintained on our person or at hand 24 / 7. This is not just for defense but my wife has a heart condition.
We have coordinated with our neighbors and developed a mutual aid plan.
Call 911 then call the neighbor who responds armed and ready. He will also direct responding LEO to the proper location.
If it seems like the wild west, it is.
Our location has a large number of crack heads and we have spill over from the border and its myrad of problems.
My points are. Start your plan at your property line. Harden your entry points. Install noise makers on your windows and doors. A coke can with some pennys in it set to fall when a door or window is opened is very effective.
Install lighting to illuminate your attacker while keeping you in shadow.
Harden a room in your home were all of your family can assemble. By hardening include doors, windows and furniture. Include the means of defense.
I hope you never have to execute your plan.
My animals are my early warning system. They roam our acreage at night and alert us to any intruders.
Solar powered motion activated security lights surround the home. These lights will back light any intruder. While I remain in shadow.
The home is hardened to slow entry and create lots of noise if someone is attemting to enter.
The Interior layout forces intruders to move in a predictable pattern.
Once again lights are motion activated a entry points so they will back light the intruder.
As in any castle, I have a keep. This is our last defensive position. The door is hardened. The furniture provides cover. We have sufficient arms, ammunition, and water to hold out for several hours if not days.
Cell phones are maintained on our person or at hand 24 / 7. This is not just for defense but my wife has a heart condition.
We have coordinated with our neighbors and developed a mutual aid plan.
Call 911 then call the neighbor who responds armed and ready. He will also direct responding LEO to the proper location.
If it seems like the wild west, it is.
Our location has a large number of crack heads and we have spill over from the border and its myrad of problems.
My points are. Start your plan at your property line. Harden your entry points. Install noise makers on your windows and doors. A coke can with some pennys in it set to fall when a door or window is opened is very effective.
Install lighting to illuminate your attacker while keeping you in shadow.
Harden a room in your home were all of your family can assemble. By hardening include doors, windows and furniture. Include the means of defense.
I hope you never have to execute your plan.
I have looked at poodles - they are a working dog, which people often forget, and yes they got miniturized, but the full sized dogs are good dogs from what I've heard. It's not their fault they got miniturized - even Doberman Pinschers looked ridiculous after they got miniturized. 
According to Wikipedia they are second in intelligence only to the Border Collie and supposedly smarter than the German Shepherd.
My aunt has had poddles for decades and decades and I have to admit they are smart dogs.
My daughter was around one of those Golden Doodles - Poodle/Golden retreiver mix which are suppossed to be hypo allergenic and she had a reaction, but I haven't tried regular poodles yet.
On the other hand... my other aunt and uncle live in Orlando. They woke up one morning to find all their stuff gone. They had been robbed in their sleep. The robbers had put my aunt and uncle's very friendly dachshund in a closet.
According to Wikipedia they are second in intelligence only to the Border Collie and supposedly smarter than the German Shepherd.
My aunt has had poddles for decades and decades and I have to admit they are smart dogs.
My daughter was around one of those Golden Doodles - Poodle/Golden retreiver mix which are suppossed to be hypo allergenic and she had a reaction, but I haven't tried regular poodles yet.
On the other hand... my other aunt and uncle live in Orlando. They woke up one morning to find all their stuff gone. They had been robbed in their sleep. The robbers had put my aunt and uncle's very friendly dachshund in a closet.
RockRiverWhisper
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Better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6. I make my stand when he inters my yard. I live in the sticks were we call it trespassing
hangglider
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Most excellent itc444--thank you for a very good post.
So your home and/or self defense weapon is a .22 or a 32 ACP or something?
The all about shot placement stuff slays me. While hitting the vitals etc. certainly is #1, it is NOT everything. Not at all. Hitting the CNS or center punching the heart lung area in the dark, under stress, on a moving aggressive target that may well be in the process of hurting you or a loved one, from a less than ideal position, perhaps while hurt yourself, and doing it all in probably just seconds sounds so easy.
There may well be a good reason why one of the more ideal home defense weapons is a 12 gauge with buckshot and not a Marlin .22 auto.
Most LE shoots, and most HD shoots have a hit probability of 20 to 25 percent. That is a hit anywhere. Practice and skill will increase the likelyhood of a hit somewhere on the target. An adequate round will increase the likelyhood of a hit making a difference. In that I find myself to be a desirable person to save, I will continue to stack the deck.