Home Defense Questions...Perplexed

Your apartment has been broken into, the sound indicates several perps, you grab your 44 magnum, call the cops, tell them you are in your bedroom armed. They will probably tell you to stay on the phone. The very sound of your voice behind a closed dor is probably going to discourage any perp from opening that door. If a perp is crazy enough to open the door hearing you inside and awake, you are probably facing a bad situation. The BG's may just shoot right through the closed door to discourage you. Now exactly what are you going to do with a bird shot load. The roar of a 44 Magnum is what you need.
And, although I've never thought about it, some sort of screen/bullet stop on the far side of your bed would sure be a good idea. I wonder if you could buy an affordable 2' by 5' kevlar something or other.
 
Test for yourself

rodwhaincamo said:
Home Defense Questions...Perplexed
Thanks for asking our advice. This is a question that deserves continuing examination.
I lost faith in "safety" slugs
What prompted your apostasy?
Currently I own a 44 mag and have a reloading bench. I've been considering loading shotshells with #2-4, but I'm uncertain as to how effective it would be and what kind of spread it would have at 10 yds
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Load up a few and test them. Then let us know how they did. Especially, get some sheet rock and make a mock-up of your apartment walls to test penetration of potential misses. Two layers of sheetrock separated by an air space (possibly filled with sound insulation).

I've been looking over pistols for defense [leaning towards 40], but they would indeed over penetrate in standard loadings.
Would loading light powered cartridges be a good answer, as long as they reliably chamber
In my experience, chambering would not be the concern. Reliable operation of the pistol with light loads is. I used to load target-powered 45 ACP. It would not operate reliably against a standard-weight recoil spring. If I held the pistol loosely, failures to eject occurred over 50% of the time. If I held the pistol firmly, it would operate correctly 90% of the time. Quite an educational load. But, I digress.
, or should I look into a high capacity 380 ACP that will handle +P?
I don't think there is a need to go to another gun. If there were, I would suggest a shotgun. Long magazine, short barrel and light loads. Ammo is cheap, long guns are easier to hit with in a stationary defense situation are unmatched.

If your choices are 44 vs 380, think of what you would pick up if you had to go tactical in your apartment. If both guns were on your nightstand, which one would you pick up?

And were I to come up with light loads should I opt for light weight bullets or heavier?
My personal preference is large, heavy bullets.

My shooting buddy has a 500 S&W that I think would be a great house gun, when loaded with some practice loads we made up for familiarization and entertainment. 325 grain slugs at 750 to 800 fps. They hit harder than military 45 ACP hardball, yet recoil like a 22 rimfire in that heavy gun.

Of course, his house gun is actually a Remington 870 12 Gauge with a tactical light in the fore-end.

Light, fast, frangible bullets tend to stay inside the target (if you do hit the intruder/badguy) and also tend to break apart when you hit your interior walls if you miss (the guiding concept behind the "safety slug" ideas of companies like Glaser, et al). But large, heavy bullets have more momentum, and I prefer them for most of my defensive preparation. But I am more concerned about bears than people.

Having said all that, comparing the 125 grain Winchester Silvertip out of a .357 Magnum to almost any of the decent 45 ACP loads, they have approximately equal performance . So, light, fast, expanding vs large, slower, more massive? They both perform well, so you do your research and make your choice.

Consider the 12 gauge, 16 gauge or 20 gauge.

Do some testing for yourself.

Lost Sheep

Remember, believe only half of what you see and one quarter of what you hear. That goes double for everything you find on the internet. Even this post.
 
I have a friend that thought it was fun to zap his thigh with one. He kept telling me to try it. It's an idiotic thing to try, and I've been shocked enough at work [HVAC], so he shocked me. I didn't care for it, but it was no deterant. I assumed the battery must have been weak.
But I don't want to be that close to anyone I believe is a threat.
Can civillians even by a tazer?
I want a dog, but my GF is deathly allergic, as is my daughter apparently.
From the master BR to the front door is a straight line. Other than the walls around the door there isn't a backdrop. Would have to reinforce the neighbor's front door as mine would be kicked in.
I leave our door open so as to be able to hear [strange noises and baby cries wake me easily], and my todler is in the room next to mine, which is that much closer to the front of the apt. Holing up isn't much of an option.
Just looking forward to the day when we can move to the country. And we are out of this complex as soon as the lease is up.
Rock and a hard place.
 
If you have to shoot, shoot to survive, not to **** somebody off.

that's the best advice in the entire thread. don't down grade the loads or caliber. shoot center of mass with a jhp round and you won't need to worry about over penetration.
spend your time getting as accurate as possible with the gun, and it will become second nature to shoot it. that's where a person needs to be for HD with a handgun.
jmho
 
The Tasers sold to civilians are slightly different from the LE versions (you can get 'em in pink, for one thing :) ), but you CAN buy them.
Their use, in most jurisdictions, is not subject to the same justification as deadly force.
They are a viable option.
Denis
 
Lost : I lost faith in "safety slugs" after seeing TheBoxOTruth's tests of them. Granted what I have seen were from a 9mm, and I have them in 44 mag, which may make a difference. But it still did not function as designed and advertised.
I have 2 mock walls made, but want to add siding and insulation.
I would like to test the shotshell theory, but I would have to buy several lbs of shot, and I have no shotgun, nor do I know anyone who reloads them. It seems to me that were I to use shot of .22 cal or so they ought to be fairly effective. A single .22 has the potential to kill. Many at once only increases those odds. But what I think sounds logical doesn't neccesarily mean it will work as planned.
I would reach for a pistol, even one I felt was a little underpowered, over my revolver as I am lousy with that long hard trigger pull. And I would chose a handgun over a shotgun in the event of having to investigate as it would be harder to disarm or entangle me.
My understanding with heavier bullets is they keep their momentum better than lighter ones.
 
A .22-caliber (or thereabouts) shot pellet is not the same as a .22 LR bullet in flight or performance.
It's round, not pointed, and its penetration characteristics are a bit different.
Hardened and plated shot will usually penetrate deeper with less deformation than standard buck pellets.
You are again risking wall penetration if you miss a target.

Here in Utah I've see Tasers on sale at Radio Shack. Your local laws may regulate them, check to see.
Giggle Taser on the Internet to see what's available.
They're not cheap, don't expect to pay $49.99 for one.
They offer close to LE performance with shorter probe wires, something that's no huge disadvantage in a home setting.
 
Not necessary to buy in bulk

rodwhaincamo said:
I have 2 mock walls made, but want to add siding and insulation.
I would like to test the shotshell theory, but I would have to buy several lbs of shot... (truncated for brevity)
There are shotshell capsules available for the reloader. I have never loaded any, but I have seen them in Sportsman's Warehouse and am sure they are available elsewhere and on line. They are not cheap, but available in packets of 10 or 12. Loaded rounds, too, as well as empty capsules.

I suppose, if you could not find any shot, you could buy a box of shotgun shells and cut them open (or find a shotgunner who would sell you just a few shotshells). Gunpowder makes good fertilizer or Fourth of July entertainment and primers, leaving just the primers in their cut-up cartridges to be disposed of. Without a shotgun, locking pliers, hammer and nail (with hand-eye-ears protection, of course) can deactivate primers easily enough. Or ask a friendly shotgunner to cycle them through his/her action.

Lost Sheep

Lost Sheep
 
I bought a box of Blazer 44 Spls for my GF to try. What I found was disturbing, and haven't tried any other Spls since.
The cases kept catching on/around the blast shield. Several times each cylinder. None of the Mag cartridges gave me this problem. I'm not sure why these did.
My handgun is a cr&ppy Taurus Tracker.
But I want brass as I have a reloading press.
 
What I found was disturbing, and haven't tried any other Spls since.
The cases kept catching on/around the blast shield.

For the love of God, would you just pick up a cheap pump shotgun and some buckshot and call it good. Seriously, a shotgun is probably the most versatile, yet cheap option that is as close to 100% reliable that you could ever ask for.
 
Here is what ya do: go buy a Saiga 12. That is an AK-47 shotgun. Then buy a 20 round drum for it.

Here is what I am talking about: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gESLOmz-4sc

Here is one in action: http://www.randrtargets.com/

Then buy some number 8 birdshot if ya live in an apartment or number 4 buckshot if you live in a house.

Put a 700 Lumen strobe/light on it.

Buy some fishing line and tape a hundred dollar bill on the end.

Next time ya hear a noise throw out the line and slowly reel it in toward your predesignated kill zone.

Then as the intruder comes into sight - turn the stobe on and empty the magazine. If you chose the #4 buckshot option you will hit the kill zone with 540 .24 caliber balls in about 2-3 seconds.

...... um..... or ya can buy a taser....
 
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