Home Defense & Live Stock Security Rifle

I give guns away to get new ones. I had a savage mk 2 .22LR that I'd had for 11 or so years, done dremeled the front sight off so I could fit a "silencer", removed the windage wedge from the rear sights so my over sized $22 scope would fit....well you get the idea. (hey, I wasn't always this old and mature, haha) and I gave that to a buddy's kid and she thought it was so nice so now I get to build my $2,400 AR. All for a rifle that was $95 new a decade ago.

A word of caution: if you try this trick too often your wife will catch on and it will cease to work.
 
People confuse group size with utility. My various Minis all put the first shot at the intended POI. Generally, the first three shots were about 1.5 MOA with a K4 on top. For coyotes, what more is needed? Bang, whop, plop...

I've yet to even read about any semi-auto which would not hold minute of torso at self- or home-defense distances.
 
Not sure why but i have not seen anyone mention the Saiga in .223. It would seem to fit the bill also. Not that there is any thing wrong with a mini 14 or an AR15. It is just an lower priced option.
 
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Kel-Tec SU-16B .223 for $439 + ~$20 shipping + ~$30 local FFL fee, $489 total.
CDNN reps answer the phone very quickly and ordering is a breeze if your FFL is already in their system. Can complete an order like this in under 3 minutes.

Super light, integral bipod, takes AR mags, folds for compact storage, accurate as you likely are, 1 10-round magazine in the gun, 2 more in the stock means more than enough ammo with you at all times while still keeping the gun very compact and maneuverable.
 
Ruger named their 'Ranch Rifle' Series aptly and the 580+ guns are excellent shooters. I 'made do' with various 94 Winchesters over the years and if you live with one day in and day out, it becomes easy to see why they've been a staple among outdoorsmen for well over a century.

Oddly, two of the three deer I've killed, near or beyond 200 yards, were anchored with an iron-sighted example of those two guns.
 
Saiga .223

End of story.

It's stone reliable, easily as accurate as a mini-14 at half the price and will last 10x as long. Mine with decent ammo will do about 5'' groups at 300 yards.


I don't understand realy why anyone would bother with a mini with this option out there.
 
Granted, the saiga is an interesting option, but they don't sell them at the local Walmart or academy. I would buy one if I didn't already have a rifle in .223. I've been fond of the mini since I was in high school, which was many moons ago. Now that I have a post 2009 model, even better.

The saigas can be got in a 20" barrel, that's a plus also. Or, 308. Or 12ga, or .............
 
Speaking as a rancher and coyote regulator, I agree with the consensus of the thread that almost any rifle chambered in .223 will work pretty well on coyotes. I personally use a Remington 700 in .223.

The second and important consideration is what ammo to use. I would highly recommend using a Hornady VMax or comparable varmint bullet when shooting around livestock. They will drop a coyote in its tracks, and since they usually disintegrate on impact they minimize risk of unintended injury to livestock from a ricochet or over-penetration.
 
Kel tec and Saiga will both work well.

The miini is a way stronger build.

Minis MAY be over priced, I will accept the point as arguable, but they aren't all that overpriced.
 
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