Home Defence

Very interesting to say the least. For me and my family, OO is good. Or maybe a sluggster or two would work?
 
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You can't hunt deer with bird shot, because it's inhumane.
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+1, I also use "The Deer Standard" (that's what I call it anyway) for home defense. I only use firearms and ammunition for home defense that I can trust to reliably and humanely kill deer.
 
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#8 heavy dove birdshot into ballistic gelatin. Max penetration: insufficient.
 

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Anybody have a picture of birdshot vs. tomatoes? That Bob the Tomato guy is always eyeballing me. I think he's up to no good.
 
The reason people risk there lives with bird shot on a intruder is to not risk the life of the 5 year old little girl next door.
 
The reason some people risk their lives with birdshot on a intruder is not to risk the life of the 5 yr. old little girl next door
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To each their own but(IMO) a smaller shot size in lead, maybe #4 or 5 would better than birdshot. Hey Hogdogs, you got some extra popcorn?
 
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Hey Hogdogs, you got some extra popcorn?
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Sorry buddy... I am about to need a new batch of "kettle corn" and won't share that either...
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Wall penetration would only matter to me if I had a dozen kids lined up against it. I do not have this... I am able to safely determine a "quadrant" to AVOID Simple really! Know your target and what lies beyond... And for anyone worried about 00 buck wall penetration, I guess yer after the spray and pray methods. For that I suggest you dump the lead out of the shell to make everyone safer!
While I keep my 20 gauge loaded with #3 buck as it is the largest shot size in town I still doubt I would ever fire more than 2 shots for 1 BG... (2 CoM don'tchaknow) but 5 rounds is just cuz I have room for that many. As I have said before and will say 'til I am blue in the face...
"NOTHING NEGATES THE RISK OF WALL PENETRATION LIKE A SQUISHY WET TORSO!"
Brent
 
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there has been a lot said but i dont think i would be able to get up if i was shot in the face like that or anyone else for that matter.
 
RR, I doubt I would want to get up either... But the fact of this matter is Face is a small target and center of mass is a large target, I am goin' big target... Given the shot sizes of Buck being quite close, I am gambling the #3 buck will reach in and tickle his spine thru his belly button. I just cannot expect thes results with a shot pellet size I choose for rabbit so I don't have to dig deep in the meat for the lead when cleaning. Popping shot out like a zit that is only 3/16ths deep when shot from 20 yards doesn't make me real keen on it as a SD/HD round. To each his own and run whatcha brung but for me i will never deviate to smaller from 00 in the 12 and #3buck in the 20.
Brent
 
Show me one Law Enforcement Agency that issues target or birdshot loads to its officers. People are not clay pigeons or birds. My last contribution ever to a bird v buck thread. As for me and my house we will use Fed Tactical buckshot:D.
 
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another question is home defence really such a big deal in america here in ireland i can go to bed at night leaving the key in the front door even at the time of the famine there was no big crime wave here i guess things are just different.
 
Road Rocket,

http://www.shadonet.com/ Go look at the front page read some stories, then click on previous entries and read some more.

In the US we have home invasions sometimes by multiple perpetrators. Then, you have burglaries at night while people are asleep. These things do happen, the likelihood of this happening to me is minute. Those people in those articles likely thought it wouldn't happen to them either, but they were prepared.

If the need should ever arise I will use deadly force to defend my family and home. I will use the best ammo for that job. IMO there is no better anti personnel round than the 70mm 9 pellet 00 buck.

With that said, I don't want to shoot or kill anybody. I don't look forward to or fantasize about it. But, no one is going to come in my house and harm me or someone I love. I hope that sheds some insight and you don't think all Americans are gun toting blood thirsty nuts.
 
another question is home defence really such a big deal in America here in Ireland I can go to bed at night leaving the key in the front door... [/QUOTE ] RoadRocket, No dissrespect intended but that explains the lack of knowledge as to which is the better H/D round. Experience is the best teacher. Go with the lead. Also what part of Ireland are you in and is all of Ireland that secure? I understand parts of Northern Ireland can be a bit radical at times requiring some S/D,H/D weaponry.
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I thought a similar thing when I started thinking seriously about HD shotgun loads. The birdshot tends to blow-up things like melons and such in dramatic fashion, but after doing some penetration tests on many different targets, I quickly came to realize the birdshot just doesn't penetrate well. It does massive superficial damage, but each tiny pellet just does not have the mass to carry itself through. Buckshot and slugs do. Personally, I keep my 12ga. loaded first with two 27 pellet #4 buckshot rounds because I use the shotgun regularly to dispatch critters around the farm, and the balance is loaded with 00 buck for HD. I imagine at close range birdshot would probably give most intruders and attitude adjustment in a hurry, but why use something that is marginal at best when there are much better options available? I wouldn't even load #8 shotshells to dispatch a racoon or a coyote if I had something heavier available (such as the #4 buck), so I surely wouldn't choose it to defend my home from a 200lb. person. Besides, birdshot severely limits your effective range when you're talking about penetrating a heavy target.

Cool video though, and that looks like some beautiful country you've got there.
 
What shot do ya'll recomend to keep in the house? our house is right in the middle of town (small town usa i like to call it) neighbors house is about 30 yards away and there bedrooms are in the firing line anywhere you point the gun. i really dont won't to have to kill somebody then find out my best friend took a few rounds of 00 buck. our longest shot inside the house is probly 15-20 yards. we currently have a shotgun loaded with #6 shot in every bed room. like i said i dont wont to shoot a bad guy and let my best friend or his family (or anyone for that matter) get a few round of 00 buck thats why we have #6 but obviously this aint powerful enough.
 
And just out of curiosity, what is everybodys HD long gun? my favoright is my sears and roebuck 12 that i OVERHAULED, if you know what i mean. and a pump action is one of the most intimidating sounds that i know of, i mean who doesnt know that sound? but i also like coach guns and auto loaders also.
 
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