Hollywood handgun portrayal BS

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..."absolutely viable"... this is complete bunk in every way.
We took to the range to try it out. Five experienced special warfare operators, all intimately familiar and expert with the M9 pistol.
We loaded up Simunitions rounds (with the Simunitions slides), put the requisite protective gear on, and went at it.
More than 500 attempts, and not one of us was able to get the slide off anyone's pistol. Moreover, we ALL got shot multiple times by sims. AND, even the ONE GUY who was able to get the pistol out of battery and get his hands on his opponent STILL got shot with a sim round in the groin.
So, complete and utter bunk, and anyone who thinks it's viable is just plain wrong.
But I love you guys.
 
..."absolutely viable"... this is complete bunk in every way.
We took to the range to try it out. Five experienced special warfare operators, all intimately familiar and expert with the M9 pistol.
We loaded up Simunitions rounds (with the Simunitions slides), put the requisite protective gear on, and went at it.
More than 500 attempts, and not one of us was able to get the slide off anyone's pistol. Moreover, we ALL got shot multiple times by sims. AND, even the ONE GUY who was able to get the pistol out of battery and get his hands on his opponent STILL got shot with a sim round in the groin.
So, complete and utter bunk, and anyone who thinks it's viable is just plain wrong.
But I love you guys.
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If one of you special ops guys isn't Jet Li or Jack Bauer, then you've just engaged in a non-analogous experiment, relative to the subject of this thread!!! :p
 
Actually, the problem with steveracer's experiment is two-fold:

1) The shooters expected the grab and counter attempt; and

2) The shooters were trained and practiced in how to counter grabs.

If one of their experienced special warfare operators had tried this against an unsuspecting newbie (or, better yet, if all five had tried it on separate occasions vs a large assortment of unsuspecting newbies), their numbers may have been very different.
 
just pulls the slide off of the other guy's pistol,
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Rush Hour #1 at the gate, Chan pulls a part the 92fs/M9

A-Team, guy pulls 1911 hammer back and drops firing pin in.

Armored guy draws a Glock and makes a chick chick sound while just holding it. :rolleyes:
 
Everything I Need to Know about Handguns, I Learned from Watching 24

Here are the top things I learned from watching 24:

  1. Bad guys _never_ carry one in the pipe
  2. Most bad guys have never heard of a thing called a "holster"
  3. Highly trained good guys can't tell when the slide is locked back when pointing a weapon at a "hostile"
  4. The Beretta 92's hammer returns to the lowered position after firing
  5. The Beretta 92 is the most popular handgun in the world
  6. You check if a pistol is loaded by dropping the mag. Checking the chamber is not necessary
  7. Handguns _never_ malfunction
  8. The way you can tell that a semi-auto pistol is out of ammunition is that it goes "click" when you pull the trigger
  9. There is no such thing as an inaccurate pistol or pistol shooter
 
Have you ever noticed how safe Glocks are on TV? people have to be told to take the safeties off, every time :)

in an early episode of Fringe, the main character hands her partner a Glock and tells him the safety is on the side, then pulls another full-size glock from an ankle holster. silly...
 
In lots of B westerns set in the timeframe of the Civil War or the War for Texas' independence from Mexico, the main charactors carried revolvers and rifles that were not invented yet.
 
That does not bother me as much as the 30 round magazines that can shoot full auto for several minutes. The shotgun blast that knocks a guy back 12feet and through a drywall. Or the 9 mil that throws a guy over a car.

We used to hold up steel plates and shoot each other with mp5s at the little creek VA range. One of the reasons I would never carry a 9mil. Pretty much anything that gives people an unrealistic idea of what weapons are capable of. Suppressers are a good example of things that are harmless to society but outlawed due to public perception. Full auto, 50cal bmg rifles and high cap magazines are others.

I support creative license but education needs to be used to combat nonsense.
 
One word. BUG. As as perevious poster mentioned, it's not a 92 specific issue it's all about weapon retention (even with a Shotgun or whatever...). At least if you have a BUG you can try and fight off the perp.. Obviously, if you lose control or functionality of your primary, :eek: absent a BUG.

In this case you actually hope it's a 92 because if they were able to disarm you and subsequently use it against you while it's still fully functional, you've just had a bad day...That being said, why did you allow it to happen? I look at a BUG as very important for any number of reasons this being among them.

Personally, I found the OP to be quite interesting.

-Cheers
 
There is no such thing as an inaccurate pistol or pistol shooter
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I find the opposite. It seems like they often go on for minutes shooting back and forth without ever hitting each other.
"bad guys" in particular seem to be unable to ever hit anything.
When they want to make someone look like a hard-core super assassin they usually do it by having him actually hit what he aims at (with the first shot).

Another vaguely annoying aspect of Hollywood gun slinging, is how easily people can shoot out locks. Or use a potato/empty bottle as a suppressor.

But then again, if "under siege" wouldn't have been quite as good of a movie if Stephen Segal had shot his thumb off and then been taken down by the alerted terrorists, and "big trouble in little china" would have been lacking had Kurt Russel/ only succeeded in injuring/killing some of the prisoners with ricochets.

For a really good, and decently accurate gun movie, I'm partial to "the way of the gun".
 
dayman,

Indeed--"Way of the Gun" is generally regarded among gun aficionados as being one of the best 'gun' related films' made in a long-time. I like the film in general but the gun-play was really quite realistic which is rare for Hollywood actors.

-Cheers
 
It was done on the 92FS in Lethal Weapon 4 but it's not nearly as easy as the movie shows (what a surprise). Dis-assembly is amazingly easy but it is still a 2 handed operation. Steps: push back slide, push dis-assembly lever locking button, rotate dis-assembly lever, release slide.

If you remove (or disable) the the dis-assembly arms locking button then you might be able to duplicate the scene in the movie but otherwise it would be pretty tough (but hey, that guy was like super martial arts material right? :rolleyes: )

Jackie Chan also did it in one of his movies (either Spy Next Door or one of the Rush Hours I think, think it may have been Rush Hour 3). Not sure of the gun though.
 
To repeat what has been posted a few times already (for those apparently replying to the original post without reading the following four pages of responses;) ):
YOU CANNOT REMOVE THE SLIDE OF A BERETTA/TAURUS 92 PISTOL WITH A MAGAZINE INSERTED. PERIOD. THE PISTOL WON'T FIRE, BUT IT WILL STILL BE IN ONE PIECE

Not 'shouting', just 'speaking' in firm type. :)
 
I guess anything is possible but I would guess this is just Hollywood fantasy. What kills me is someone is shooting an automatic and they call it a revolver or shooting a shotgun and they call it a rifle. How hard is that to figure out?
 
Sometimes, you know, official designations of things do not conform to our own ideas of what is proper. For example, the British called their Enfield revolver in caliber ".380" a "Pistol, revolver, No. 2," which was carried in a "Case, pistol." There are other words and expressions that give pause, too, such as "gunslinger," "gunfighter," and more recently, "shotty." I have no idea what that means but I've read it here, so it must be a correct expression for something.
 
In the old west of Hollywood B westerns, there must have been a contagious disease that resulted in fist fighting. Two guys start swinging at each other and before you know it, everyone around them is punching out whoever it is that they were drinking and joking with just seconds before.
I think it was some sort of fight germ, spread by the first two fighters and as the people around them were exposed, they would join in and before you know it, even the women folk are fighting each other. Perfect strangers out on the street would start fighting even.

I never have seen this happen in real life, ever.

It's not just firearms that are portrayed unrealistically in movies.

Real car wrecks usually do not result in huge fireballs.
Real high explosives do not send a huge fireball in the sky.
Real life nerds and geeks ususally are complete dumbasses, not sub atomic particle physicists.
Real life cops often go for weeks, months or even years without unholstering their sidearm in the line of duty.
Most criminals are incredibly dumb, not evil geniuses.
 
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