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Hogs by helicopter.....
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ChasingWhitetail91
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I can see where sunaj is coming from, but I think you would have to go to some of the effected areas and talk to the farmers and ranchers to get a good appreciation for why there is a need to eradicate the feral hogs. Killing a couple a year or even a couple a day isn't going to put a dent in the damage they cause. I don't agree at all with letting them go to waste though, with so many hungry people out there its a shame to let them rot.
captainrock39
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The price of a hunt for the hogs is what gets me,rancher or land owners are complainng the destruction of the crops then turn around file for insurance or federal help on the destroyed crops and then charge of $200 or better per hog and a discount for a 2nd or more. I understand the charge for processing, the room and board and meals for a so many night stay but the per say kill tag charge really when your crying about the deveistation of the land. Charge for room and board and meals and processing you will get more help relieving the probelm. If the hunter is incompeitent and shoots something he shouldn't charge his ass for the replacement of that animal it would bring plus some and make it hurt. you could also charge if it was guided or not.
Double Naught Spy
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Why does that get you? The landowners have losses and want to recoup what they can. They don't have to like it that the hogs are causing problems, but that doesn't mean they need to let strangers hunt their land.
Yes, having to be in compliance with hotel and restaurant laws, inspections, etc. will certainly making landowners' lives much easier.
Charging the incompetent hunter's donkey won't likely yield you squat. Who says the hunter can even pay for the damages or is willing to do so without a lawsuit?
You know, Keg and I have talked about this. We seem to be missing out on meeting all these landowners that are complaining so much and charging so much at the same time. Generally speaking, either folks are complaining or they are charging. The ones charging are often making very good money doing so.
Charge for room and board and meals and processing you will get more help relieving the probelm.
Yes, having to be in compliance with hotel and restaurant laws, inspections, etc. will certainly making landowners' lives much easier.
If the hunter is incompeitent and shoots something he shouldn't charge his ass for the replacement of that animal it would bring plus some and make it hurt.
Charging the incompetent hunter's donkey won't likely yield you squat. Who says the hunter can even pay for the damages or is willing to do so without a lawsuit?
You know, Keg and I have talked about this. We seem to be missing out on meeting all these landowners that are complaining so much and charging so much at the same time. Generally speaking, either folks are complaining or they are charging. The ones charging are often making very good money doing so.
johnwilliamson062
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Drone with a "ZIP" 22lr on it...
I think municipalites pay a few hundred dollars an hour to rent helicopters. Two days for a landowner can't be efficient.
Surprised there aren't people training dogs to hunt the pigs autonomously. Drop them off for a week and come back. I know pigs aren't defenseless, but a pack of dogs should be able to handle them.
I think municipalites pay a few hundred dollars an hour to rent helicopters. Two days for a landowner can't be efficient.
Surprised there aren't people training dogs to hunt the pigs autonomously. Drop them off for a week and come back. I know pigs aren't defenseless, but a pack of dogs should be able to handle them.
I actually have no reply to this.....Drone with a "ZIP" 22lr on it...
I think municipalites pay a few hundred dollars an hour to rent helicopters. Two days for a landowner can't be efficient.
Surprised there aren't people training dogs to hunt the pigs autonomously. Drop them off for a week and come back. I know pigs aren't defenseless, but a pack of dogs should be able to handle them.
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The price of a hunt for the hogs is what gets me
We have a lot of pigs....I know of one place across the river..that charges for guided pig hunts....There are 2 places in this county that are HF and charge....The rest of the land is generally leased up to deer hunters....They do most of the pig hunting....There is generally not much land to allow hunters to come in and hunt..free or otherwise....It is generally leased to hunters for the season or year.....
Like DNS said..U are liable to have to sue....My experience with that is not so good....I would just as soon keep my Angus bull from harm....If the hunter is incompeitent and shoots something he shouldn't charge his ass for the replacement of that animal it would bring plus some and make it hurt
Double Naught Spy
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Drone with a "ZIP" 22lr on it...
Illegal...except maybe if you are military or police.
Surprised there aren't people training dogs to hunt the pigs autonomously.
Nobody else is surprised. Anyone who knows anything about trained dogs knows that they aren't 100% and require extensive monitoring. Police dogs manage to bite people other than the bad guys including police officers and bystanders. Military dogs have bitten their trainers. Hog dogs are known to bit each other and their handlers on occasion...and you want to have somebody train blood thirsty killing machines and then just release them into the wild, unattended?
Surprised there aren't people training dogs to hunt the pigs autonomously. Drop them off for a week and come back. I know pigs aren't defenseless, but a pack of dogs should be able to handle them.
Aside from the liability of dropped off performance hunting dogs...
Dogs would be dead from exhaustion or injury long before a week is up...
We run them for a day or a night and bring them home to recuperate...
Brent
I started helicopter hog shooting this year, we went twice in central Texas just before the leaves came back on the trees. We flew on a good friends place that is approx 10,000 acres, on the initial trip we had Landowner permits for his place and 2 others making up nearly 15,000 acres total. By the time we got ready for the second flight we had 7 more neighbors signed up and a little over 30,000 contiguous acres.
To the point of economic feasibility, on the 10,000 acre farm alone they estimate between 5 and 10 acres lost per night during the planting season, some of which can be replanted and some is just lost depending on how far along the crop is. Then there is the loss of crops throughout the growing season and loss of pasture land throughout the year. After much discussion between a group of lifelong farmers and ranchers it was decided that you could conservatively estimate $5,000.00 in damages per year per 1000 acres in that particular area of the state (among the most dense hog populations in Texas). This year on the primary farm, during corn planting they lost 0 (zero) acres to pigs, and nightly hunting since has been pretty skinny to say the least.
Each trip was approximately $4500.00 for the entire day (6-8 hours flight time) it was a 4 place helicopter so we ran 3 shooters per 30-40 minute trip. We had 12 guys the first trip and killed roughly 200 pigs, the second trip we only had 5 shooters and killed roughly half as many pigs. I paid for one trip (because I brought along customers) and my friend paid for the second trip, the neighboring farmers offered to split the cost both times and are already planning on fall shoots as soon as the trees drop their leaves.
We shot pigs primarily with AR's but also mixed in some AK's, a 6.8 and a .458 SOCOM, as well as a shotgun or 2. Since most of the shooting was in pretty high timber the rifles worked best. I will say that in my opinion this type of control is the best possible hope for getting pig populations down in a given area, but it will still take a concentrated sustained effort over multiple years to do so.
Yes, it is the most fun you can have with your clothes on, times 10.
To the point of economic feasibility, on the 10,000 acre farm alone they estimate between 5 and 10 acres lost per night during the planting season, some of which can be replanted and some is just lost depending on how far along the crop is. Then there is the loss of crops throughout the growing season and loss of pasture land throughout the year. After much discussion between a group of lifelong farmers and ranchers it was decided that you could conservatively estimate $5,000.00 in damages per year per 1000 acres in that particular area of the state (among the most dense hog populations in Texas). This year on the primary farm, during corn planting they lost 0 (zero) acres to pigs, and nightly hunting since has been pretty skinny to say the least.
Each trip was approximately $4500.00 for the entire day (6-8 hours flight time) it was a 4 place helicopter so we ran 3 shooters per 30-40 minute trip. We had 12 guys the first trip and killed roughly 200 pigs, the second trip we only had 5 shooters and killed roughly half as many pigs. I paid for one trip (because I brought along customers) and my friend paid for the second trip, the neighboring farmers offered to split the cost both times and are already planning on fall shoots as soon as the trees drop their leaves.
We shot pigs primarily with AR's but also mixed in some AK's, a 6.8 and a .458 SOCOM, as well as a shotgun or 2. Since most of the shooting was in pretty high timber the rifles worked best. I will say that in my opinion this type of control is the best possible hope for getting pig populations down in a given area, but it will still take a concentrated sustained effort over multiple years to do so.
Yes, it is the most fun you can have with your clothes on, times 10.
globemaster3
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Eskinny, considering the cost analysis, overall it is definitely on the plus side, especially if the landowners pick up the tab since its reducing their overall losses. I'm not sure I could personally justify spending $4500 out of my pocket to keep farmer John from losing $5000/1000 acres.
So, did you play Ride of the Valkyries on the run in?
So, did you play Ride of the Valkyries on the run in?
Yes, (in our heads)I think we all did. You have never heard so many "Apocalypse Now" references quoted in one day. Also for people who do not see the practical application of a slide fire stock, all I can say is you have never used one the right way. Once I got the feel for it, the slide fire was by far and away the most deadly pig killing device, kind of hard on your supply of ammo though. I took 4 customers the first trip, and compared to taking them deer hunting this was cheap. To a man they had what was described by all as "the best time of their lives". Worth every penny.
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Don't know much about hog hunting but I watched a show on the Sportsman's Channel last night about hunting from helicopters....looks like a blast.
Now one more thing added to my bucket list.....I think it would be a cat's meow and a perfect place to get a little M1 Garand Shooting.
I use to be a range officer for aerial M-60 gunnery when I was in the guard. Machine Guns are one thing, but I think the Garand would be the ticket and most fun.
Now one more thing added to my bucket list.....I think it would be a cat's meow and a perfect place to get a little M1 Garand Shooting.
I use to be a range officer for aerial M-60 gunnery when I was in the guard. Machine Guns are one thing, but I think the Garand would be the ticket and most fun.
The way my grandfather and uncle killed their hogs for butchering was to "stick 'em", meaning they'd just stick them in the juggler and let them bleed out before they did anything else.
The way I figure, using the Garand, when you get on the ground you can "fix bayonets" and get after it.
The way I figure, using the Garand, when you get on the ground you can "fix bayonets" and get after it.