Hmmm Maybe a thumb safety is not so bad....

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Nathan

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Your thoughts?

http://www.itstactical.com/warcom/f...her-holsters-can-cause-accidental-discharges/

Another incident where a Glock goes bang unintentionally. The problem is that this has become one of many, so cause is pointing at the gun itself...

In a world where we accept things don't go always as planned, how do we ensure this doesn't happen to us?

I don't carry Glocks, but I do carry a Kahr....in kydex and in a pocket holster that gets removed to re holster....and you?
 
Simply put, not the gun's fault. Equipment failure, and a lack of the owner making sure everything was up to par. Yep, I look at my holsters everytime I strap one on. I mostly use kydex in some shape or form, but I do have leather holsters, and all are checked before worn. I don't even think about it, I decide what holster, grab it, give it a once over and put it on, or in my pocket. Takes 10-15 extra seconds, maybe.

That said, I carried an H&K USP 40 on duty for awhile in a Uncle Mike's Pro3 rig, and on more then one occasion, either just removing the gun or drawing it, I observed the thumb safety to already be in the fire position. Not saying that it's a rule, but just because it has a manual safety doesn't mean it's not going to have an issue.
 
Thanks for the warning.
Murphy is alive and well.
It always pays to inspect our equipment, not just once in awhile, but with every use.
I have an old, soft holster, too.
When it became a little too soft and took two hands to reholster, it got demoted to airgun use.
The demons never sleep.
 
Guys....these are all great "soft" countermeasures.
Check your equip
Build muscle memory in technique
Slow down reholstering


But, when SHTF and Murphy is going strong we need a not gonna happen fix.
 
Thumb safety's can, and do at times become disengaged during normal every day activities. Granted it would have required 2 malfunctions, but it could have happened with a safety. Even a revolver or DA semi could have discharged in this incident.

We had a Sheriff's deputy have a similar incident about a year ago with his Glock. He was interviewing a woman holding a notepad in one hand and writing with the other when his gun discharged in his holster. The bullet had to punch through the bottom of the holster and the angle caused it to hit his leather wallet in the back pocket where the bullet was found. No official reason was ever stated publicly, but it was at least partly because of a defective holster.

FWIW, I like and carry Glocks. But at the same time wouldn't feel disadvantaged if they came with, or at least offered a well designed 1911 style safety.

When the S&W M&P came out and offered some models with a safety I bought one. I found that I didn't like the M&P, and I felt the safety was poorly designed so I sold it.
 
There is no "not going to happen" absolute. There is due diligence and preventative maintenance, both of which include the equipment as well as the firearm. Yet most seem to forget the equipment, but are quick to blame the gun, or design of.

Even still, we are human, we are prone to make mistakes. All we can hope for is that the mistake isn't a serious one, and we minimize the chance of that mistake as much as possible.
 
Another incident where a Glock goes bang unintentionally.
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"Another" is a stretch here. This incident is from 2011.

The holster had to be in terrible condition for this accident to occur. Leather holsters especially from a quality company like Galco are very stiff. Regardless, I'm not a fan of these minimalist holsters. It doesn't provide the best possible coverage around the trigger guard.

This is the holster in question:
https://www.galcogunleather.com/jak-slide-belt-holster_8_4_1169.html

Notice that there is a gap between the holster and the trigger guard. I'd consider this a no-no. The holster is 100% safe, but completely covering the trigger guard will prevent 99.9% of these accidents.

Either get a traditional style leather holster or get a high quality Kydex holster.

Glocks and other modern service pistols do not need an additional manual safety.
 
When ever fallible human beings are involved with anything, mistakes will happen. The more mistake proof you can make something, the better off it will be, up to a point. The only way to make a firearm 100% fool proof is to remove any and all ways for it to function. Since you will end up with nothing but a doorstop, humans have to be careful.

With that said, I prefer a firearm with a manual safety. It's one more item that will help. Not that a Glock is an accident waiting to happen. I have one more little thing to hopefully keep accidents at bay.

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This is why I do not carry with one in the chamber. You can practice putting your gun in your holster 10000 times and still mess it up just one time, when maybe you are sick, sleepy, thinking about something else, etc and have this happen. We are human. We will never be perfect 100% of the time. As a result, I have to practice drawing but I dont think racking the slide adds any time for those that practice it. I dont need a safety on a gun because of this and I dont trust safeties. I also do not carry a revolver for this reason and I prefer them to pistols.
 
Operator failure. Guy didn't maintain his holster. Nothing whatever to do with the pistol.
The deputy found the bullet in his back pocket? He carrying so much money his wallet was bullet proof? snicker.
 
Simply put, not the gun's fault.
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Agreed.

Thumb safety's can, and do at times become disengaged during normal every day activities.
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Used to have it happen with my 1911's all the time.

How about an added safety for Glocks?
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Why?

Glocks and other modern service pistols do not need an additional manual safety.
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Agreed.


As a result, I have to practice drawing but I dont think racking the slide adds any time for those that practice it.
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Hows it go when done one handed?
 
The reason there are so many Glock ND stories isn't something inherent to the Glock, it's simply because Glocks are the most common pistol on the market.

I've never had anything close to an incident with either of my Glocks. Good holsters and proper trigger discipline and you're good.
 
Your thoughts?
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My thoughts are that if you believe a thumb safety is necessary, you are fortunate to live in a time when a huge variety of firearms (including a plethora of thumb safety equipped models) is available.
Hows having a gun worthwhile when no handed? We can come up with scenarios all day that make having a gun, a certain kind, etc all worthless
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The fact that an argument can be taken to an extreme which is false or meaningless isn't evidence that the original argument is false or meaningless. It's just evidence that the extreme argument is false or meaningless.

The fact is that it's fairly common for a person to be injured in one hand or to need one hand for something other than operating the firearm. It's not a situation that everyone feels the need to prepare for, but it's wise to do so.
 
adamBomb said:
Hows it go when done one handed?
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Hows having a gun worthwhile when no handed? We can come up with scenarios all day that make having a gun, a certain kind, etc all worthless:D
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JohnKSa said:
...The fact is that it's fairly common for a person to be injured in one hand or to need one hand for something other than operating the firearm. It's not a situation that everyone feels the need to prepare for, but it's wise to do so.
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It is a real possibility that one may find it necessary or desirable to fire his gun using only one hand. It does happen.

The NYPD keeps detailed records of firearm discharges by officers and publishes an annual Firearm Discharge report.

  • For 2011, of officers reporting the shooting technique used in an incident 71% used two hands, i. e., 29% fired their guns using only one hand.

  • For 2012, 23 officers reported the shooting technique they used in an incident; and of those only 43% used two hands, i. e., 57% fired their guns using one hand.

  • For 2013, 35 of 55 officers reported how they held their guns in a shooting incident. Of those 35, 80% used two hand, i. e., 20% fired their guns using only one hand.
 
Hows having a gun worthwhile when no handed? We can come up with scenarios all day that make having a gun, a certain kind, etc all worthless
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For a second there, I was starting to think, you were starting to think. :)

Some people do work through all sorts of scenarios, and have/work at, other skills other than the firearm, trying to improve themselves and their chances, where others seem to believe, why bother, I have a gun, what more do I need?

If you have chosen to carry a gun youre uncomfortable carrying loaded, perhaps you should find something else.
 
If you have chosen to carry a gun youre uncomfortable carrying loaded, perhaps you should find something else.
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Despite the other threads where we disagree, on this item, I am 100% in agreement..............;)
 
Please save us from another unchambered carry thread debate from someone with self-declared little experience - to be blunt.

BTW, today at the IDPA match I watched someone repeatedly forget to take off the safety from his 1911 from the draw.
 
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