I haven't seen any mention of the provisions of the alcohol licensing agreement in TX. In this state anyone getting a Retail Alcohol License agrees to allow Alcohol Beverage Control agents full access to their retail establishment including financial records. If you own a bar here and kick the ABC agent out your liquor license would be immediately suspended even if the establishment is a private club.
Hmm, what is this about no Police state?
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Here is the definition of a public place per TX Penal Code:
(40) "Public place" means any place to which the
public or a substantial group of the public has access and includes,
but is not limited to, streets, highways, and the common areas of
schools, hospitals, apartment houses, office buildings, transport
facilities, and shops.
(40) "Public place" means any place to which the
public or a substantial group of the public has access and includes,
but is not limited to, streets, highways, and the common areas of
schools, hospitals, apartment houses, office buildings, transport
facilities, and shops.
Harley Quinn
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I believe they have to crack down on alcohol
Just like they are trying to slow down the use of drugs. Alcohol is a major problem in this country.
With the import of all the new Muslim groups and Hindu (non drinkers of alcohol but will sell the heck out of it).
I believe it is something the federal government is doing, look at Bush a reformed Alki. What does that tell you.
Now he is a bible thumper, dangerous combo. But from what I see we could stand for a little more law and less consumption of the beverage.
College kids are killing quite a few a year with the parties and DUI and all that is bad about alcohol excess.
It is a way of saying enough is enough without it hurting to much (like Driving while drinking or intoxicated or with a container in your care etc.). Spelling on purpose.
Does not cost as much, but it might get the point across.
Humble them a little in each and every bar in town and it will tell the bartenders to start stepping up to the plate.
Or the liquor store owners who sell to much beer to people who have obviously been consuming to much and going on the second 24 pack.
We need to strengthen up the Alcohol part of the ATF, they have hammered the other two, now it is time for the real one to get hammered.
They have tried for years to be educational and let everyone know how bad it is, now it is time for the hammer to hit the nail and knock down the one sticking up, causing you to trip (carpenter talk).
Japan has a saying, knock down the nail that is sticking up (as in problem).
The next thing they ought to do is what they did to the tobacco industry. No advertisement on tv. That would hurt and send a real message. IMO.
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Just like they are trying to slow down the use of drugs. Alcohol is a major problem in this country.
With the import of all the new Muslim groups and Hindu (non drinkers of alcohol but will sell the heck out of it).
I believe it is something the federal government is doing, look at Bush a reformed Alki. What does that tell you.
Now he is a bible thumper, dangerous combo. But from what I see we could stand for a little more law and less consumption of the beverage.
College kids are killing quite a few a year with the parties and DUI and all that is bad about alcohol excess.
It is a way of saying enough is enough without it hurting to much (like Driving while drinking or intoxicated or with a container in your care etc.). Spelling on purpose.
Does not cost as much, but it might get the point across.
Humble them a little in each and every bar in town and it will tell the bartenders to start stepping up to the plate.
Or the liquor store owners who sell to much beer to people who have obviously been consuming to much and going on the second 24 pack.
We need to strengthen up the Alcohol part of the ATF, they have hammered the other two, now it is time for the real one to get hammered.
They have tried for years to be educational and let everyone know how bad it is, now it is time for the hammer to hit the nail and knock down the one sticking up, causing you to trip (carpenter talk).
Japan has a saying, knock down the nail that is sticking up (as in problem).
The next thing they ought to do is what they did to the tobacco industry. No advertisement on tv. That would hurt and send a real message. IMO.
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Rich Lucibella
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Oh, absolutely. .Gov should steal legal profits of legal enterprises from which .gov steals 40% of the Gross in the first place; .gov should then take those stolen funds and tell the public they'll be used for the "victims" while dumping them into the pork barrel of General Revenues.
We're all much better off as a result. Just look at how The Program has decimated the nicotine addiction rates.
Honestly, Harley, do you ever read what you post? Sometimes it really frightens me.
Rich
lizziedog1
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DEAR, HQ
My family background is Italian. I have relatives there. I have visited there several times. There is no real drinking age there. When I went there as a teenager, I was often sent to the store by a relative to buy wine. No problem getting it. Do you know what the young peole there prefer to drink? A famous American beverage, Pepsi.
In other words, the appeal, and mystery of drinking does not exist there. Teenage drinking binge parties do not either. With young people, the more you try to regulate their behavior, the more appealing you make it.
My family background is Italian. I have relatives there. I have visited there several times. There is no real drinking age there. When I went there as a teenager, I was often sent to the store by a relative to buy wine. No problem getting it. Do you know what the young peole there prefer to drink? A famous American beverage, Pepsi.
In other words, the appeal, and mystery of drinking does not exist there. Teenage drinking binge parties do not either. With young people, the more you try to regulate their behavior, the more appealing you make it.
Texas's TABC Running Amok
The TX TABC as you all know is running amok and there is so much flack over their excesses that something they don't like is going to happen. You will note of course that they are not raiding the bars over in the Little Mexico sections of town nor the bars catering to solely and mostly Black People. Passions among the clientele of those places has and can be considerably elevated when they consider themselves "jacked with".
The TABC's usual tactic is entrapment as to underage sales, which does not seem to curb underage drinking. It was ineffective during the 40s when I was underage and we as well as today's youngsters whom are much smarter than we were will and do manage to obtain alcoholic beverages. I might add that kids are going to try alcohol and in my book that is not good but far better than pot, cocain, methamphetamines, and heroin and other drugs.
Your and my Government during the VietNam conflict, and needing cannon fodder did as a matter of fact lower the legal drinking age to 18 years old but as soon as the youngsters were no longer needed in herds and droves, the age went back up. That is hypocracy, period.
The powerful Texas Insurance Lobby which in a large sense among other Lobbies, run the State of Texas and they and MADD have turned our State into a nanny State as to alcohol consumption and yet fatalities in trucks and autos still are there with little let up.
Meanwhile our Texas Governor is getting a lot of calls, mail, and email over this heavyhandedness of the TABC. I do not frequent Bars, beer joints and the like but I do and will bend my elbow when it suits me. I do not drive under the influence nor have I ever been ticked or arrested for being drunk or DWI but perhaps I will add that dame foryune has been real good to me in that respect. Meanwhile, lets prevent these idiots from making this a police state at the same time while we obey the law in general............
The TX TABC as you all know is running amok and there is so much flack over their excesses that something they don't like is going to happen. You will note of course that they are not raiding the bars over in the Little Mexico sections of town nor the bars catering to solely and mostly Black People. Passions among the clientele of those places has and can be considerably elevated when they consider themselves "jacked with".
The TABC's usual tactic is entrapment as to underage sales, which does not seem to curb underage drinking. It was ineffective during the 40s when I was underage and we as well as today's youngsters whom are much smarter than we were will and do manage to obtain alcoholic beverages. I might add that kids are going to try alcohol and in my book that is not good but far better than pot, cocain, methamphetamines, and heroin and other drugs.
Your and my Government during the VietNam conflict, and needing cannon fodder did as a matter of fact lower the legal drinking age to 18 years old but as soon as the youngsters were no longer needed in herds and droves, the age went back up. That is hypocracy, period.
The powerful Texas Insurance Lobby which in a large sense among other Lobbies, run the State of Texas and they and MADD have turned our State into a nanny State as to alcohol consumption and yet fatalities in trucks and autos still are there with little let up.
Meanwhile our Texas Governor is getting a lot of calls, mail, and email over this heavyhandedness of the TABC. I do not frequent Bars, beer joints and the like but I do and will bend my elbow when it suits me. I do not drive under the influence nor have I ever been ticked or arrested for being drunk or DWI but perhaps I will add that dame foryune has been real good to me in that respect. Meanwhile, lets prevent these idiots from making this a police state at the same time while we obey the law in general............
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As a person that has received a DUI and Spent LOTS of time in bars/clubs/dance halls/pool rooms... I don't mind this so much. I would love to see Cops come in and take out the overlly Drunk Angry person trying to start fights with everyone and being a genral ass...
When I have been in bars and Cops have come in they normally don't mess with anyone they don't have too. They just take out whoever needs to be taken out of the Bar.
Now if I'm sitting at my table with friends throwing darts and I'm asked to take a Breathalyzer and end up in Jail, then thats messed up but I'm pretty sure thats not what there doin....
O and The ONE DRINK thing and you could blow over a .08 is crap in my book the night I got my DUI I had sevral drinks at least 12 beers plus shot's over about a 4-5 hour period and I blew a .11 at the scene and a .116 at the station. So I don't believe that one beer can make me blow a .08 line.
My DUI was 3 years ago and I have not had any problems or drinking incidents since then.
As a person that has received a DUI and Spent LOTS of time in bars/clubs/dance halls/pool rooms... I don't mind this so much. I would love to see Cops come in and take out the overlly Drunk Angry person trying to start fights with everyone and being a genral ass...
When I have been in bars and Cops have come in they normally don't mess with anyone they don't have too. They just take out whoever needs to be taken out of the Bar.
Now if I'm sitting at my table with friends throwing darts and I'm asked to take a Breathalyzer and end up in Jail, then thats messed up but I'm pretty sure thats not what there doin....
O and The ONE DRINK thing and you could blow over a .08 is crap in my book the night I got my DUI I had sevral drinks at least 12 beers plus shot's over about a 4-5 hour period and I blew a .11 at the scene and a .116 at the station. So I don't believe that one beer can make me blow a .08 line.
My DUI was 3 years ago and I have not had any problems or drinking incidents since then.
mohomesteading
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And people ask me why I refuse to support law enforcement officers...
It is because of things like this that I use passive resistance with all law enforcement officers and agents. I don't help them out, I don't call them when I have a problem (I solve it myself) and I don't offer my gunshop/gunsmithing services to them. I also wouldn't assist one if he or she were getting the snot beat out of them by a perpetrator.
Just because a method works doesn't mean it is moral or ethical. We can stop Islamic terrorism by killing all Muslims, right? Doesn't mean it is moral or ethical.
Laws like this only harass the otherwise law-abiding and do nothing to stop the real problem, those who will repeat their offense until they are dead or they are in a state that won't allow them to commit further offenses.
It is because of things like this that I use passive resistance with all law enforcement officers and agents. I don't help them out, I don't call them when I have a problem (I solve it myself) and I don't offer my gunshop/gunsmithing services to them. I also wouldn't assist one if he or she were getting the snot beat out of them by a perpetrator.
Just because a method works doesn't mean it is moral or ethical. We can stop Islamic terrorism by killing all Muslims, right? Doesn't mean it is moral or ethical.
Laws like this only harass the otherwise law-abiding and do nothing to stop the real problem, those who will repeat their offense until they are dead or they are in a state that won't allow them to commit further offenses.
Agenda 21
That's what the no smoking and now no drinking rule comes from. The U.N. arrives again to rescue you. We're so safe we can't drink two beers.You know the have already installed black box harnesses in most new cars, just waiting for an out cry to make us put them in. I guess this is it. It's all about Cause,[they cause it] Reaction,[MADD] and Solution [another law] as long as the solution supports agenda 21. It's just another reason to get you in the system.
That's what the no smoking and now no drinking rule comes from. The U.N. arrives again to rescue you. We're so safe we can't drink two beers.You know the have already installed black box harnesses in most new cars, just waiting for an out cry to make us put them in. I guess this is it. It's all about Cause,[they cause it] Reaction,[MADD] and Solution [another law] as long as the solution supports agenda 21. It's just another reason to get you in the system.
Republicrat
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Didn't New Mexico already pass a law saying that there will be breathalyzers in all cars by 2008?
so if someone sets fire to your home, kidnaps a relative, or kills a friend....you'll be doing your own investigating? it's one thing to point out police abuses and keep them in check but to think that any society can function without a dedicated law enforcement force is ridiculous. have a little sense and realize that the majority of these guys are out there busting ass for us. I don't know why you hate cops so much but I really hope it's at least remotely justified and you're not just some anti-establishment hippie or nutjob anarchist
it's one thing to point out police abuses and keep them in check but to think that any society can function without a dedicated law enforcement force is ridiculous. have a little sense and realize that the majority of these guys are out there busting ass for us. I don't know why you hate cops so much but I really hope it's at least remotely justified and you're not just some anti-establishment hippie or nutjob anarchistinvention_45
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I've spent three (3) months in Turkey. This was in one-month segments starting in 1979 and ending in 1985. At the time, you could walk in to any pharmacy and pick up, off the shelf, Bayer aspirin with codeine. They also sold a product containing ethylmorphine, which is about the same as codeine.
I talked to a LOT of people when I was there. Very few even were aware this stuff was available. As an American, I certainly was. I knew nobody who had any at home or said they had ever used it. They also sold the equivalent of Darvocet (I think they call it Darval) OTC. Nobody I talked to had that, either.
I had a major sunburn from being out on a boat in the Agean. I was toast and could barely wear clothes. So I went to the pharmacy and asked them what I should do. That's when I was pointed to the shelf with Bayer/codeine. I got two boxes of 24 each. Sunburn pain gone.
So, it seems there is a parallel between the drug situation (at that time, at least) in Turkey and the alcohol situation in Italy. Banning a thing makes it tasty.
Widespread mystery and appeal of drugs doesn't seem to exist there. Certainly there is some abuse. In the bus stations, it is not uncommon to find somebody sitting in a corner smoking opium and begging for change.
Before the Harrison Act (somehow 1934 rings a bell), and even after, you could go into a pharmacy here and get paregoric (opium tincture) and buy Cocaine-Cola. People bought it when they had symptoms they thought it would cure, not to get high, by and large.
The banning of these substances pointed out that there must be something fun about them or they wouldn't need banning, and the drug black market was born.
My guess is that history has treated alcohol similarly. Wine for dinner and a little brandy for most people. Then along came prohibition and alcohol became more closely associated with crime. Prohibition I is gone, but some of that association remains.
I have no problem with police going into bars and talking to or arresting someone who's drunk and belligerent. But to go in and arrest them just because they're drunk if they're contributing to the "happy" atmosphere is wrong. To arrest the same person, or call him a cab, if he appears ready to get into a car and drive it is fine.
makarova30
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good defensive tactics
Let me suggest some ideas some friends of mine in Corpus Christi have adopted.
First, point blank refusal to take a breathalyzer, currently I dont believe they can take your drivers license if you're not driving(subject to change), second everybody sticks together, "I will not go anywhere with you outside unless I"m under arrest, if so, I need to call my attorney". Third we have all agreed to tell the nice ossifer we are prepared to testify that our buddy doesn't look drunk to us and officer looks like hes on a fishing expedition, Lawsuit to follow. Seen this done once. Once the ABC officer realized that he was outnumbered by people who were prepared to oppose him, he backed off and left. Havent seen him on the premises lately
Let me suggest some ideas some friends of mine in Corpus Christi have adopted.
First, point blank refusal to take a breathalyzer, currently I dont believe they can take your drivers license if you're not driving(subject to change), second everybody sticks together, "I will not go anywhere with you outside unless I"m under arrest, if so, I need to call my attorney". Third we have all agreed to tell the nice ossifer we are prepared to testify that our buddy doesn't look drunk to us and officer looks like hes on a fishing expedition, Lawsuit to follow. Seen this done once. Once the ABC officer realized that he was outnumbered by people who were prepared to oppose him, he backed off and left. Havent seen him on the premises lately
Point of fact, if I arrest you under suspicion of drunk driving, you don't have to talk to me without a lawyer, but you can definitely go to jail without one. You'll be booked, printed and processed and then you can talk to your lawyer. Me personally, if I'm doing what I'm allowed by law and in good conscience, sue me all you want.
Rich Lucibella
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Enough.
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