HK USP9c, trade for CZ-75?

The Right Grips

Of course to start off, the gun has to be in the 99.9% reliability class, has to come in the caliber you need, and has to hide well enough.

From this group of guns, you hope to find one that fits and points like a dream, as-is or with the right grips. For me, it's the Glock 19 with the Pachmayr slip-on pebbled, no-grooves rubber grip. I hate this gun for other reasons, but I carry it because I am absolutely confident that I can hit with it one-handed, way off balance, my glasses broken...whatever. It fits me that well.

Finding or making the right grips has always been my key to making a gun work right for me. You have to work with it until it fits YOUR hand. Thus, the gun doesn't have to be expensive. It can be a reliable, inexpensive Ruger - just so long as there is a variety of available grips to work with. adk
 
jack_the_sailor: Points WELL taken. I do NOT want to make another mistake if I can help it. Kind of funny, I shot the HK well before buying and the Glock not so well. The P99 held great in my hand, but was horrid to shoot for ME. I know others who love the P99 and have run thousands of rounds through them.

Wanna buy my HK? Just kiddin'...
Think I may go back and grip them all again at the store. That'd be a GREAT way to spend father's day weekend.

adk and SteveC: What exactly can grips do for a gun besides make 'em stick to yer hand more? Can't change the shape, obviously, correct? Just wondering why so many people get Hogue's et al.

jdhermit
 
The right grips

Finally finding the RIGHT grips transforms the gun like magic - the draw, speed into the shooting grip, the balance, target-point, trigger reach, recoil control...and so on. They don't have to be rubber. Smooth wood, shaped just right for your hand is probably best.

I think AteaM's suggestion is right on: be sure to try the Sigs. Try all of them. Take your time. It will be worth it. adk
 
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ATeaM: Held the 239 extensively, but only held the others briefly. Since was trying to go for my carry gun, the 239 seemed most likely...I couldn't choke up on it much.
Do others carry the 225? Sorry, pretty ignorant on the Sig's, liked the theory of their manual of arms...after the 239, the others looked pretty big.

Maybe I'll take another look this weekend.

jdhermit
 
Grips

First off, jack_the_sailor is right about not doing a straight gun for gun trade on a CZ compact for the USP9c - you ought to get some cash out of the deal if you're going to the CZ.
Second, I can't list all the ways a grip can effect your shooting, but it definitely improved my shooting once I put new grips on my PCR. No doubt, over time I could have improved my shooting to the same point, but just putting the grips on it made an instant improvement.
One effect of the new grips I noticed was how your trigger finger ends up positioned on the trigger, which effects your trigger pull. How the gun fills your hand also seems to effect perceived recoil.

To a certain extent, this is just whining - with practice, you could be fast and accurate with any old nasty grip on a gun. But all things being even, I'd rather spend my $$$ on a gun that feels good. After all, the gun serves me, not the other way around.

The USP9c is an excellent gun - I'd say give it a chance before selling it. See if a Hogue handall helps any. It adds some palm swells and should improve your recoil control. On the other hand, the rubber surface will not be good for concealed carry. You could cover it up with agrip or something though.

Steve
 
Time may be important too....

The CZ PCR is out of print from what I understand since the clunkier P-01 is headed for the market. Around here the few PCRs I've seen in the last 3 months are priced $400 plus. My guess is the last ones will come at a very dear price especially if the P-01 winds up actually being clunkier and does not get the positive reception the PCR enjoys.
I have a PCR and its my fave 9mm. The 15 rnd hi caps for the 75 B run perfectly in it but they stick out a bit. There are hi-caps for the PCR , 14 rnd ?, but they command a very high price IF you can find a seller.

The Kimber is closer in $ to the USP but in terms of weight much heavier than either the PCR or USP IIRC.
Good luck.
S-
 
Grips

Grips can help. They help best on revolvers. They help by making a smaller grip bigger. They help when your finger is too long for proper trigger reach. But if your finger is too short for trigger reach. Grips can't help much. On a Glock a grip reduction can be done. Glocks have a hollow back strap channel. That's filled up with materal & cut off. But HKs don't have a hollow back strap area & can't be reduced. After market grips work best when thy add width to a grip for finger that are too long for proper trigger reach. On a pistol after market grips might reduce the grip if the pistol original grip an be remove & the after market grip is thiner than the original grip. So after market grips work best if your hand is too big for the pistol. If your hand is too small after market grips might not work. Other type of grips like A-Grip or Decal grips will reduce walking during recoil. They help polymer gips by making the grip "stick to your hand". So sometimes grips help, others they don't.
 
"Guess I want the best of all worlds! An HK USP that has the grip of a 1911, the feeling of "I know it'll never fail" of the HK, the concealability of a Kahr MK9/Keltec, etc., and cooler grips than just black plastic!"

Sounds like a Sig 225, might be a little too big but worth a look.

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SIG SAUER P225
Specifications Operation Semiautomatic, mechanically
locked, recoil operated
Trigger Double-action/single-action
or double-action only
Safety Patented automatic firing-pin lock
Caliber 9mm Luger
Length, overall 7.1"
Height, overall 5.2"
Width, overall 1.3"
Barrel length 3.9"
Rifling twist 1 in 10"
Rifling grooves 6
Sight radius 5.7"
Weight, w/o magazine 26.1 oz.
Weight, empty magazine 2.8 oz.
Trigger pull DA 12 lbs., SA 4.5 lbs.
Magazine capacity 8 rounds


Ky Imports lists them new for just under $500 www.kyimports.com/tarus.htm#sig
 
You all are AWESOME for the helpful comments!

That Sig 225 is catching my eye. Of course, holding it's the key. Nice looking, it is.

Here's my thoughts so far...I MAY try and get a holster for my Ruger SP-101 (.357) and use that for when I want a tuckable IWB. Its a bit smaller grip, and seems like it may be easier at work. Then I'll try some grips on the HK, see if that helps. And, since its father's day this weekend (and I can do whatever my big daddy heart wants), I'll go hold (sounds kind of kinky?) the Sig 225, Kimber, CZ. I'd be going for the CZ Compact, just for size purposes, although I know its no thinner than the HK, but maybe the grip will just send it over the edge.

So I say Kimber for the 1911, but any thoughts on the Para Ord LDA triggers?

jdhermit
 
hk vs. cz75

I like both of them a lot. The CZ has a better DA trigger and the HK has a much better SA trigger. The HK is lighter, but the CZ feels more balanced. The CZ rubber wrap-around (made by Hogue) grip is nice. The CZ plastic grip looks czexy. The Hogue Handall makes the HK fit my hand better.
 
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