HK USP9c, trade for CZ-75?

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jdhermit

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Ok all, i read this board daily, just don't post much. Bought a HK USP9c, and am somewhat not happy with it. Pretty thick for CCW, which is what I'm aiming (pun intended) for. Also, maybe my hand shrunk since I bought it, but it seems too thick now. (Could be that I was SO enamored of HK that I overlooked it conveniently...)
I know lots of people here like HK and lots like CZ, so...
Should I swap the USP9 for a CZ-75 compact?
I do like the way the CZ holds...probably right below the Kimber's for my hands, (Kimber's just seem to melt into them for some reason).
Intention is 9mm first, then 45 (Kimber or STI) next.
Sorry for long post...opinions?

jdhermit
 
There's a good bit of price disparity there, though?

Perhaps you should sell the gun outright, then buy the CZ, several boxes of ammo, a holster, etc. from the proceeds.
 
Interesting. I think your gun issue could best be solved not with a different gun, but in a different holster.
A rig like the Galco Concealable will allow comfortable carry and make the HK melt into you to hide it.

If your intent on swapping to the CZ, it isn't a bad choice. But it sounds like your cutting yourself short and the gun your really wanting is the Kimber.

I'd hold off till you could get the Kimber.
 
If this is primarily for CCW, I would recommend using the gun you feel most comfortable with.
Personally, I REALLY like the USP's. They work and they fit me well. For you, well, only you can answer that ;)
As for the price difference between the USPc & the CZ. Well, I'd bet you'd be happier if you trade for a Kimber instead. Or better yet, take your USP to the range, rent a Kimber & CZ and shoot all 3. Try to figure out which one does work better for you ! :)
 
Being that the H&K measures 34 mm and the CZ compact 35 mm, (at their widest points) I don't see that you'd be going that much thinner. The CZ is contoured differently.

That being said, if you prefer the grip of the CZ and shoot it as well or better, it may be a decent trade-off.

I'd hang on to the H&K, maybe use if for a house gun. Everybody says it, but it is true. Once you sell a gun, you'll regret it some day. The CZs are inexpensive enough that you could save for a while and get it as well.

(the idea here is to get MORE guns, not maintain :D )

If you really do like the Kimber the best, I'd just save for that.

Shake
 
Well, I guess its not the width of the HK, but the feel? Does that make sense? I hold my buddy's Browning Hi Power (CZ is nearly identical, obviously) and the Kimber, and they just melt into my hand...In fact, i was just in the back at work comparing how the HK feels with the Browning and although they look very similiar size wise, its the shape and the beavertail.

Don't have a Kimber handy, but I just kind of close my eyes when I hold the Kimbers and...never mind.

I can come pretty close to trading even for the Kimber now, and I know CZ is a lot lower, so its not really a price issue...I want both. Another choice would be the STI BLS (9mm single stack) and its super thin for CCW. But its very 'spensive...
How can I choose between the three? Can't afford all of them!
 
Actually, nice USPC's can be had around here for in the 400$ range. Ive seen 3 in the past couple of months. One was tempting, a stainless slide C with 3 Hi Caps for 500$ LNIB.
You would do well to trade for a CZ and a little cash, or a Kimber and give them a little cash. Either way you will have a nice gun.
Shoot well
 
Funny...

I sold my old USP9c and bought a CZ PCR. The HK was a better made gun, but the CZ was a more comfortable (especially after gett Hakan's grips) and was in general, a more ergonomic gun. IMO, I think the PCR is easier to conceal because the HK has that chunky slide.
The PCR's grip is almost identical to the BHP, but the BHP slide is actually a little flatter. If you like the grip of the BHP, the CZ compacts will be great for you - but the BHP, with thin grips, would be even more concealable.

I don't regret trading my USP for the CZ - the only thing that the USP9c really had on my PCR was the ability to carry C&L along with a decocker, and I believe the trigger reach was better, and maybe more crisp in SA. The CZ felt better, had a lot less muzzle flip and had nicer sights.

In any case, my safe engineer lifestyle doesn't justify in carry permit in CA, so I ended up trading my PCR to finance a nice range gun project.
But you will probably be very happy with a CZ compact - you might also consider a used BHP, or else getting an FEG clone and getting a trigger job and new grips. But I wouldn't recommend a stock FEG (or even a stock BHP for that matter) over a CZ compact.

Steve
 
The USP Compacts

Where feeling shootable is concerned, the USP Compacts are not the Colt 1911 or the Browning Hi-Power, to give just two good examples.
 
If someone was willing to trade it for a new Kimber I would do it.

If you want a ccw; take a class if you already don't have a permit (or don't need one) and try out more guns before you purchase another $800 firearm.
 
Thanks for the comments.
I already do have CCW, & have held about every semi-auto for sale new, and shot many. Thought I stated this, but I may have forgotten, I believe I overlooked the "feel" of the USPc in favor of the "mystique" of it. It shoots wonderfully, and quite accurately...I just believe I may have overestimated its carry-ability for MY mode of dress, living, etc.

I was seeing if anyone had comments on things I may have missed in comparing all my choices.
Still contemplating it all...

jdhermit

ps- I only paid $650 for NIB USP9c...not $800...so not that bad a mistake, I guess? ;)
 
Well, I guess its not the width of the HK, but the feel?
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It totally makes sense. The feel is important.

I really think you'd be better off hanging on to the USP. I've sold three guns since I started buying them at 17 and regret selling all three.

If you absolutely HAVE to sell it to finance one that feels better (i.e. no way you can afford another by saving), then I'd do it.

CZs are great guns, Kimbers are great, heard good things about the STIs-never fired one. . . you really can't go wrong.

Shake
 
Shake:
Yeah, I've also got the feeling I may come to regret giving up the USP.
Guess I want the best of all worlds! An HK USP that has the grip of a 1911, the feeling of "I know it'll never fail" of the HK, the concealability of a Kahr MK9/Keltec, etc., and cooler grips than just black plastic!

Dang. :confused:

jdhermit
 
Have you thought about changing the grip shape?

Glock owners can have their grips altered, so I'd think someone would offer the service for HK's.

Alternatively, you could get a Hogue Handall or AGrip.

Steve
 
SteveC:
No, never thought of that...didn't realize that might be an option. What do they do, somehow shave/sand the grip? Never heard of it, but then again, THEY don't let me out much.

I guess I'd consider the Hogue option, but I'd have to figure out first what EXACTLY it is that I'd want to change. I think the beavertail has something to do with it, but there's more to it. I'm too anal...I'll have to try and figure out more detailed. I think its got something to do with the ability to "grip up" on the CZ/Browning HP/1911 models than on the HK.

Does my babbling make sense or do I need to go take another green pill?

jdhermit
 
jdhermit: I'm confused what don't you like about the HK the hand/gun fit or concealable-ability. If the problem is concealable-ability. You dress to conceale the pistol, not the other way round. In other words you don't fit the pistol to your manner of dress. If the problem is hand/gun fit only you know how well a pistol fits your hand. I'm looking for a replacement for my carry Glock-17. Both the HK-USP-c9 & CZ-75-B-SA are on my list. Heres some other factors to consider. Pistol weight. The HK is lighter than the CZ. Also control position. For me the safety on the CZ might be in a bad place for my thumb reach (I've only held 1). The HK safety is in a good place. So there are other factors to consider. Hand/gun fit, shoot-ability (accuracy), & control manipulation. If a pistol fits your hand & you shoot it well. That pistol isn't right if you can't properly manipulate the safety. I wouldn't trade an HK for a CZ pistol for pistol. Maybe pistol & cash. But if you think the CZ fits you better than the HK go for it. But figure out exactly why the HK doesn't work for you. Then figure out how the CZ work were the HK didn't. Then look at other pistols to see if they work better for you.
 
jack_the_sailor:
You are right, I probably have confused some with my lengthy questions. I have two concerns about the HK, one being grip fitting and the other being concealability (sp?) with my choice of dress.
What it boils down to is the HK does NOT fit my hand like the others that I mentioned. As far as dressing to fit the weapon, I disagree to some extent. I dress how I dress (sometimes by choice, sometimes dictated by others) and I feel it best to fit my weapon(s) of choice into this dress as I can.
I try not to use acronyms much, but YMMV.
Each of us has to do what is right for their own self.

maybe clearer? sorry for my verbosity. Bored at work, I guess.

jdhermit
 
jdhermit: The questions I asked were for you to ask your self. Nobody can tell you how the pistol feels in your hand but you. Someone with more experiense than me might be able to tell you about trigger reach. What I want you to do is think. Look at all the factors. I'm in the same boat as you. I bought a Glock-17 on reputation only. But the more I shoot it the less I like it. At 21 feet a lot of shots go below POA. I've test fired 2 different pistols Hk USP c 9 & 1911. Both hit POA. I don't know why I shoot pistols that I've never fired before better than a pistol I own & shoot regularly? Now the pistol that feels good in my hand is a Walther P99QA. But with out shooting it. I can't consider it as a replacement. If you think you made a quick decision about the HK & the HK doesn't work for you. Then don't make another quick decision about replacing the HK with a CZ. Look at a bunch of different 9mm & take time picking the right 1.
 
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