Hk P7m8
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I have a Wilson, a Sig P229 and 3 H&K P7s (M8, PSP, M13) and have been fully satisfied with all of the above.
It would be difficult/impossible for me to give up any of these as I consider these as "must haves" in my collection. None of them should ever fail you.
Pros: P7s are the fastest firing production guns, safe, damn accurate, compact/concealable, robust and just plain cool to own.
Cons: price.
It would be difficult/impossible for me to give up any of these as I consider these as "must haves" in my collection. None of them should ever fail you.
Pros: P7s are the fastest firing production guns, safe, damn accurate, compact/concealable, robust and just plain cool to own.
Cons: price.
Brian Busch
New member
Pros:
Excellent balance.
Great grip angle, points naturally.
Nice sights.
Fairly good trigger, not as good as a smithed SA pistol but better than most DA/SA guns in SA.
Powerful, positive magazine extraction.
Abidextrious mag release.
Low bore axis makes for less muzzle flip.
Because of it's squeeze cocking mechanisim, it is very safe handling gun.
Add all the above and you get a very fast handgun; fast to sight, fast shot to shot recovery, fast reloads.
One of the most accurate 9mm pistols on the market.
Nice "stippling" on the frame to enhance grip.
Neat design in general, with the gas-delayed blowback and sqeezecocker.
Cons:
Heavy for its capacity.
Design causes it to get REALLY HOT pretty fast when shooting. After 50-70 rounds during a range session mine gets too hot to shoot and I need to switch guns until it cools down.
Finish leaves something to be desired for a $1200 handgun.
Looks like a staplegun
Excellent balance.
Great grip angle, points naturally.
Nice sights.
Fairly good trigger, not as good as a smithed SA pistol but better than most DA/SA guns in SA.
Powerful, positive magazine extraction.
Abidextrious mag release.
Low bore axis makes for less muzzle flip.
Because of it's squeeze cocking mechanisim, it is very safe handling gun.
Add all the above and you get a very fast handgun; fast to sight, fast shot to shot recovery, fast reloads.
One of the most accurate 9mm pistols on the market.
Nice "stippling" on the frame to enhance grip.
Neat design in general, with the gas-delayed blowback and sqeezecocker.
Cons:
Heavy for its capacity.
Design causes it to get REALLY HOT pretty fast when shooting. After 50-70 rounds during a range session mine gets too hot to shoot and I need to switch guns until it cools down.
Finish leaves something to be desired for a $1200 handgun.
Looks like a staplegun
The ultimate P7 pro/con FAQ may be found at Park Cities Tactical, the home of the "Cult of the P7" forum:
http://www.parkcitiestactical.com/pct_faq.htm#9
http://www.parkcitiestactical.com/pct_faq.htm#9
Marko Kloos
Inactive
The only "cons" I can think of are the scratch-and wear-prone finish, and the heat build-up on the underside of the dust shield due to heat transmission from the gas tube right above it. Also, the slide speeds are so high that night sights have to be factory -installed, lest they take a flight off the gun during the first post-install range session.
On the "pro" side, they're highly accurate, easy to handle, safe to operate, solidly all-steel construction, flat and easy to tote, and very high quality workmanship.
On the "pro" side, they're highly accurate, easy to handle, safe to operate, solidly all-steel construction, flat and easy to tote, and very high quality workmanship.
I truly believe that the P7 design is the all around best defensive pistol design. Of all the things you could ask a pistol to do for you, the P7 does nearly all of them as well or far better than any other design. I came to believe this long before I could purchase one and my experience since has eclipsed my expectations. It's a good gun on paper and a good gun in practice. You can always find another weapon with a attribute or two that's better, but not even a decent majority of this weapon's strengths.
Don't expect a P7 to fire radar guided bullets or disappear in your pocket, but if you're in a room full of people with pistols, you're the best armed person there.
Search around. I've bought two nearly perfect P7's for less than $750 each. There are deals to be had.
Don't expect a P7 to fire radar guided bullets or disappear in your pocket, but if you're in a room full of people with pistols, you're the best armed person there.
Search around. I've bought two nearly perfect P7's for less than $750 each. There are deals to be had.
Much of this has been said before, but I'll throw my 2 cents in:
The finish is pretty lousy. It rusts if not wiped down frequently while carrying (if you sweat). This is why hard-chroming is so prevailant among P7 owners. A $175 must-have option is ridiculous for an $800 USED handgun.
A lot of people complain about the area above the trigger getting too hot to hold, and a lot of people say that they have no problems. Be prepared.
The gas piston can get clogged. The lube from lead rounds will foul it up pretty quickly. Falling in the mud with it on your hip will probably disable it. If the mud doesn't clog the piston the water will rust it up.
It's pretty heavy for it's size. That could be a good or bad thing depending on who you are.
You could find several new guns that are the same size or smaller and hold two more rounds.
No external safety. Again, this can be good or bad. The way the gun is set up it seems prone to stupid people shooting themselves while carrying mexican. That could be good or bad too.
Magazines are expensive (around $50 each).
On the up side it's custom-gun accurate, has tiny recoil and is made extremely well.
The finish is pretty lousy. It rusts if not wiped down frequently while carrying (if you sweat). This is why hard-chroming is so prevailant among P7 owners. A $175 must-have option is ridiculous for an $800 USED handgun.
A lot of people complain about the area above the trigger getting too hot to hold, and a lot of people say that they have no problems. Be prepared.
The gas piston can get clogged. The lube from lead rounds will foul it up pretty quickly. Falling in the mud with it on your hip will probably disable it. If the mud doesn't clog the piston the water will rust it up.
It's pretty heavy for it's size. That could be a good or bad thing depending on who you are.
You could find several new guns that are the same size or smaller and hold two more rounds.
No external safety. Again, this can be good or bad. The way the gun is set up it seems prone to stupid people shooting themselves while carrying mexican. That could be good or bad too.
Magazines are expensive (around $50 each).
On the up side it's custom-gun accurate, has tiny recoil and is made extremely well.
Very safe, exceptional trigger, soldily built & extremely accurate 
I've had my P7M8 since IE (date code lingo 
) & have been very happy with it. Only real 'con' is that it does get hot after shooting just 50 rounds or so. Flip side to that is that it is not really a "target" gun and not really designed for prolonged shooting sessions.
As for price...look at it like the cost of membership to the club. Cost of membership helps make it fairly exclusive club
I've had my P7M8 since IE (date code lingo ) & have been very happy with it. Only real 'con' is that it does get hot after shooting just 50 rounds or so. Flip side to that is that it is not really a "target" gun and not really designed for prolonged shooting sessions.As for price...look at it like the cost of membership to the club. Cost of membership helps make it fairly exclusive club
Lead rounds are specifically NOT recommended because of the gas system. Most P7 owners are intelligent enough to read the manual and figure this out.
Assuming you are not smart enough to clean it up after you stumble in the mud, yes it may rust. So may your Sig, Beretta, Walther, Taurus and S&W.
This is pretty funny, since it takes almost twelve pounds of pressure to cock the pistol, a self-shooting due to mexican carry is unlikely. The external safety is the squeeze-cock mechanism. The pistol will not fire unless it is fully cocked. That's safe.
I wasn't really interested in the P7 until I shot one of my CHL student's after she qualified. Five rounds into a quarter sized hole on the TX-DPS target at 7 yds convinced me I had to have one. Now I own several. They are awsome.
Regards,
James
Best Place for Chrome
::ahem:: we've been debating this for quite some time over at:
http://www.parkcitiestactical.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi
"Cult of the P7"
No real answers.
The Good ones are as follows:
http://www.metalifeind.com/
http://www.fordsguns.com/
http://www.apwcogan.com/
http://www.trippresearch.com/
I THINK that's all of'em At least all of the ones that have made it into discussion on the P7 BB.
-Morgan
::ahem:: we've been debating this for quite some time over at:
http://www.parkcitiestactical.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi
"Cult of the P7"
No real answers.
The Good ones are as follows:
http://www.metalifeind.com/
http://www.fordsguns.com/
http://www.apwcogan.com/
http://www.trippresearch.com/
I THINK that's all of'em At least all of the ones that have made it into discussion on the P7 BB.
-Morgan
On the topic of the not-so-durable blue finish. Yep, bluing is not nearly as protective as other finishes (of course, 90% of all handguns were blued up to 20 years ago). Hard chrome is a fashionable choice for a super protective refinish, and it is expensive. But it is fashion.
You do not have to chrome a P7. Parkerizing, teflon coatings or even just RE-bluing are inexpensive options that do wonders for protecting the gun against corrosion. These cheap finishes are biased against those who own Glocks, Sigs and other HK's that are externally parkerized-go figure. This is not an issue.
And to second what Extremist said, calling a gun with a 12 pound safety lever that automatically applies itself "safetyless" is just stupid. How much pressure does it take to brush off the safety on a 1911? Does a Sig decock itself? Even with the cocker held in, you still have about the same internal safeties found in a glock.
You do not have to chrome a P7. Parkerizing, teflon coatings or even just RE-bluing are inexpensive options that do wonders for protecting the gun against corrosion. These cheap finishes are biased against those who own Glocks, Sigs and other HK's that are externally parkerized-go figure. This is not an issue.
And to second what Extremist said, calling a gun with a 12 pound safety lever that automatically applies itself "safetyless" is just stupid. How much pressure does it take to brush off the safety on a 1911? Does a Sig decock itself? Even with the cocker held in, you still have about the same internal safeties found in a glock.
Brian Busch
New member
When I was refering to finish, I was refering to all the tool marks. I don't mind a nice blue job, but for the money that these cost I would expect better millwork cleanup. YMMV.
don't shoot it's me
New member
P7Newbie here....out of the woodwork....and my hard chrome job is not for fashion....it holds up better than any reblue or teflon job...and the fewer people who know about this gun, the safer we are carrying it....so I don't try and convince anyone to get one...I reccomend Glocks to strangers....
