hiyo hiyo its cinco de mayo

Juan Sequin was a Colonel in the Texas Militia and was the first to advocate the overthrow of Santa Anna and the restoration of the Constitution of 1824, long before most Anglo's thought to do so. Seguin had men from his militia at the Alamo when he rode out to desperately find assistance for the men there. He was forbidden to go to their rescue because losing Seguin would be a loss that would be hard to take for Texas.

It is a shame that his history is so played down in the movies. They make it out like he was only a participant when he had the most influence in the early years- considerably more than Travis, Crockett (who had almost no influence), Houston, and others. After the Alamo, Seguin played a large part in the Texas Government, mandating the first bilingual program in the state when he introduced a bill that the Texas Constitution be translated into English and Spanish so that everybody could understand it.

The Seguin family produced incredible leaders on both sides of the border. I don't know if there is anything but distant relations between Juan and Zargoza. Because most "Mexicans" living in Texas during those days were actually from the Spanish Colonies from the Canarie Islands, I reckon that they were all a little bit related. I do know that after Juan had successfully helped his country earn its freedom from Mexico, he was then run out of Texas because he looked "Mexican", something that broke his heart.

During the Mexican-American war, his talents of leadership and organization were recognized and he was pressed into service in the Mexican Army to fight the United States at Veracruz. He was later readmitted to Texas and became the Mayor of San Antonio, but died in Nuevo Laredo, Mexico after being run out yet again.

EDIT: To assist in keeping it gun related; the whole nasty mess began at Gonzales where the Mexican Army under General Cos were ordered to confiscate a cannon held by the people to protect against indian depredations. The Texans flew a flag over the cannon harkening back to the Leonidas and Molon Lave days that said: "Come and Take It!" Hence my sig line.
 
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to keep it gun related, after you break out said sombreros, line them with some metal and wear them, since certain yokels, both furren' and domestic, are known to shoot into the air on said holiday night - a topic discussed at length before on TFL, in relation to this, new year's, 4th of july, etc.

Boy do those Texicans know their state history and are proud of it! :)
 
As for Cinco De Mayo being purely the result of illegals, that's rich. There are millions of legal hispanics in this country as well. Are they not allowed to celebrate a holiday important to them?
At my last job I had two Mexicans working for me. Both were legal residents (green card holders). Both of them were amazed at the extend of the cinco de mayo celebrations here. According to them, cinco de mayo isn't really that big a deal in Mexico.
 
Cinco de Mayo and Diez y Seis de Septiembre are two completely different holidays for two completely different events and a celebration of Mexico’s independence from two completely different nations.

Cinco de Mayo is a celebration of General Zaragoza’s defeat of the French expeditionary forces at Puebla, Mexico on May 5, 1862. Zaragoza’s victory significantly delayed France’s eventual capture of Mexico City and most likely played a role in France's eventual decision to leave Mexico alone.

Diez y Seis de Septiembre is a holiday in remembrance of Father Miguel Hidalgo y Costilla’s grito de Dolores (cry of Dolores) on September 16, 1810. This grito de Dolores was a cry to end Spanish rule in Mexico. Diez y Seis de Septiembre is Mexico’s official “Independence Day”.
 
Boy do those Texicans know their state history and are proud of it!

Yep.

kjm,

Thanks for the info on the importance of Cinco de Mayo to Texas. I did not know that.

That's true for lots of the folk that do the celebrating. Every year I ask my students what they are celebrating and amazingly, most think it's Mexican indepedance or they have no idea.

That being said, once they understand what it's for, I think it's quite worth celebrating.
 
You know, I have far more important things in my life to worry about than what kind of holidays my neighbor celebrates, or what he calls them. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my bone.

:D :D

WildwheresthethumbsupsmileyAlaska
 
What does everyone drink on Confederate Hero's Day? We still have that as an optional state holiday for state employees here in Texas. I myself have a Bohemia.

David
 
Actually, 20cows, looking at the grand scheme of things, whuppin' the French doesn't seem that hard to do, historically, and thus is arguably not that big of a deal to celebrate. :D
 
Cinco De Mayo is a proper celebration in Texas because the leader of the Mexican defense against France at the battle of Puebla, was General Ignacio Zaragoza de Seguin . A NATIVE TEXAN…Cinco De Mayo recognizes that a NATIVE TEXAN fought bravely and helped to destroy French colonial designs in 1862 in the new world.

Zaragoza was not a native Texan in the typical sense of the term. He was, only in the sense that he was born in territory that later became Texas. At the time he was born though Texas was 100% part of Mexico. Zaragoza only lived in what is now Texas for as long as it was part of Mexico. Immediately following the Texas Revolution, Zaragoza’s father moved the family to Mexico where Ignacio remained. Calling him a native Texan would be like saying somebody born in San Antonio in 1840 is a Mexican, especially considering that Zaragoza's family moved to Mexico as soon as La Bahia was no longer part of Mexico.

Because Corona, Tecate, and other beers are imported through Gambrinus Inc. in San Antonio, TEXAS, they seized upon an opportunity to take a small state festival and turn it into a grand marketing scheme…We aren't celebrating a Mexican Holiday so much as a Texan one.
I don’t mean any disrespect, but what history book did you read that says Cinco de Mayo is a Texas holiday? That’s the most ridiculous thing I’ve ever heard.
 
Ahenry,
Good points. Actually Zaragoza was born in Cohuila. It became Texas in 1842 when the United States settled the war with the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo. Still the place where Zargoza was born is now a part of Texas. As far as it being a Texas Holiday- Cinco De Mayo is celebrated in La Bahia quite vigorously.

Yes CDM is a Mexican Holiday, just as 4th of July is an American Holiday-but evokes memories of G. Washington and T. Jefferson none the less. CDM evokes celebrations of Zaragoza in his birthplace. The Beer companies have seized upon it as a great opportunity to sell Coronas, Tecates and Pacificos.
 
Actually the Mexican's booting out the French, was quite an accomplishment.
The French were one of the dominant military powers of the era, that's why when they were beaten by the Prussian's so many modeled their militaries on the Prussian model.
Plus the Mexican's were fighting with very obsolete weapons.
Although, some pressure was exerted by Washington...and the French were concerned about what the Union army could do if remobilized. (During that period, the GAR was one of the few militaries with experience fighting another industrial (sort of) power.
And anyway...might not get too high about the relative dimensions of the US military and etc. In the same era, some, twenty years later, the US and the German's got into a disagreement about some Pacific islands, and there was talk of war. One of the reasons the US backed down was the US military as much as told the politicos that there was nothing they could do to protect the east coast if the German's had decided to attack.
 
Living in the southwest with a high proportion of Latinos, Hispanics and those of Mexican heritage, I see Cinco de Mayo as really a small event. There a few small celebrations scattered around. Cinco de Mayo is being marketed by the media, beer and snack food companies so we can spend money

I agree. Cinco de Mayo, at least here in central Texas, is an advertising campaign.

get your pinatas and sombreros out and ready

My pinatas and sombrero is ALWAYS out and ready!

our new national holiday is coming may 5th!

Now that's just silly.

in all seriousness, a damn mexican holiday is becoming as big in America as the 4th of july

That's sillier. I don't know a "damn mexican" (including my wife) that gives a damn about Cinco de Mayo. As most here have stated, Mexicans (those born and raised in Mexico, including my wife) generally care much more about 16 of September. That day is their Independence Day. Honestly, at least around Austin, most of the people celebrating Cinco de Mayo are those DAMN GRINGOS (me included).

P.S. As alluded to in an earlier post, many DAMN MEXICANS (including a dear friend of mine) fight for this country and die for this country. If they want to get together on May 5, 6, and 7th, that is fine by me. I seriously doubt the Fourth of July has much to worry about.
 
Maybe you can "splain" to me why Mexico...which takes more holidays than the French.......

Don't take the day off for Cinco De Mayo :confused:

All of the Mexican Nationals I know consider the 5th of May to be a Spanglish holiday
 
And anyway Cinco de Mayo tends to be almost more popular in the US, in Mexico the day which holds a much deeper importance is September 16th. So in some ways, especially in how its viewed here, it's not a "damn Mexican Holiday
Thank you faraway He is right. Now being 15 and truly fluent in spanish and having lived in mexico, I must say i am appalled. Granted many mexicans are illegal but come on they need an excuse to get drunk once and awhile too.
Come on rednecks do it all the time and we call it domestic violence.
 
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I thought you all may be interested to know that "Gay Pride" day is a BIG event here in LaLa Land. Whatever your personal views may be, and mine are strictly hetero, West Hollywood used to be a SLUM. Not now, folks, not now. I wish I'd bought property there ten years ago. The Pink Pistols are a force to be reckoned with! May God bless all his chillun and open the bar!
 
Thanks Skeetin 870. What part of Mexico? One thing I noticed is that the attitudes seem to change considerably for those out of central and the southern part of Mexico-rather than the border. I used to have some personal ties to Guanajauto, and even when the people involved were long term residents/citizens of the US, they took a fair amount of pride in respecting some of the learning/better cultural traditions from their homeland. And were sometimes vexed by the assemblage culture of the US barrios. Considered it an insult to their heritage.
20 Cows, cussing in Spanish is still cussing? Oopsie, used it a bit here in the northern hinterlands, as could express vexations and few could comment on my comments.
Problem is, some here speak Dakoda/Nakoda...and so, oftimes no idea what's being expressed there....
Diversity, equal opportunity to express )(&(*^*&% in manners which can confuse everybody.
 
Cinco de Mayo

I went out & tipped a few margaritas with some friends; it was good clean fun. I'm gonna tip a few pints of AltBier during Oktoberfest as well. Guess I'm a bad American. :rolleyes:
 
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