High velocity black powder rifles

yep, Pennsylvania requires a flintlock. look up Pennsylvania special muzzloaders. flintlock rifle with synthetic stock and f/o sights.
 
It's really easy: If you don't like inline guns don't use them. Don't rant and rave about those who do use inline guns.
 
I don't like inlines and don't own one myself. That said, the use of the inline during muzzle loading season illustrates how a loophole can be exploited by others. Pennsylvania has seen fit to close that loophole. It remains whether other states will follow the Keystone state's example.

I still think the best way to convert an inliner is to show them the advantage of an Enfield musketoon. Hits out to 350 yards with accuracy with a heavier 535 grain bullet.
 
but what most of the "classic only" guys dont seem to realize is that a quality inline cost as little as 1/4 the cost of a quality flintlock, and 1/2 of a quality percussion.

so a person is able o get into black powder shooting fairly inexpensively.

plus flintlocks and percussion rifles require some basic knowledge that many people dont have the opportunity to learn.

as well as finding any non inline bullets and powder is very hard to do these days. whereas you can find inline stuff anywhere.
 
troy_mclure said:
yep, Pennsylvania requires a flintlock. look up Pennsylvania special muzzloaders. flintlock rifle with synthetic stock and f/o sights.
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LOL, that's just human nature I guess, make a flintlock only rule and somebody comes up with the "compound bow" version of the flintlock.
 
really guys some of the opinions.... i like my omega z5 because i can lanch a 240gr. .429 bullet approx. 1800fps and get 1 hole groups.at 100 yards no less. no brass no reloading brass. no priming brass. no picking brass up. wonderful weapon. inlines deserve our respect. inline users deserve respect. traditional users deserve respect. you should see what it does with 300gr. xtp.
 
Invented in 1812, the Pauly needle gun and the other needle guns that followed were inline breech loaders that used a self-contained paper cartridge which was invented in 1808.

It wasn't much later that a saboted bullet was invented which was later improved in about 1836 as a papier-mache "sabot".

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Needle_gun#Pauly_needle_gun
 
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That's fine. Polymer stocks, Leupold scopes, Pyrodex and plastic sabots are not.

Make an inline season!



-Boberama (I'm beautiful in my way 'cos God makes no mistakes I'm on the right track baby I was born this way)
 
Don't need to.
They're legal where they are legal because that's the will of the majority of citizens of each state and their current use has clearly been deemed to be in the public interest.
When the people spoke, the state governments listened. ;)
 
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So that's why Ms. now has a primitive weapons season that includes breech loading cartridge rifles with smokeless powder and scopes.
 
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So that's why Ms. now has a primitive weapons season that includes breech loading cartridge rifles with smokeless powder and scopes.
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Mississippi has too many deer and not enough hunters to keep their population under control. When some states choose to pass conservative regulations restricting muzzle loading technology that would normally be allowed, then others states like Mississippi pick up the slack and pass liberal regulations. State regulations amount to being a tit for tat. :rolleyes:

Facts About Mississippi's Fish And Wildlife Resources:

Mississippi has a deer population of approximately 2 million, the highest per acre of all states.

http://www.outfitters.org/writer.html
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...The most popular chambering was the .45-70. Hunters quickly learned these lightweight rifles kicked at both ends, but did the job. Then word came that hunters could use optical scopes on these new primitive firearms. Hundreds more hunters joined the ranks of hunting the primitive seasons, which was a good thing to help with the overall statewide deer management program...

http://www.ms-sportsman.com/details.php?id=469
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...Some of these same critics argue that the Magnolia State crossed the line in 2005 when it redefined the definition of a primitive weapon by including breechloading rifles as legal firearms for deer. Like it or not, this new law appears to be anchored with public support. Deer hunters in Mississippi were very open to the change in the law, and the sale of related weapons has progressively increased over the last few years...

....Since Mississippi has one of the highest whitetail densities per square mile in North America, and since the number of hunters in the field has been falling nationwide in recent years, this new law was intended to increase opportunities for hunters to enjoy deer hunting during the primitive weapons season. Obviously, the real goal was to increase the number of hunters in the field during that season, which in turn would increase the total deer harvest....

BALLISTIC COMPARISONS

...My .50-caliber muzzleloader loaded with a Barnes PBT (Polymer Boat Tailed) sabot bullet and 150 grains of Triple Seven pellets has a muzzle velocity of 1,944 fps and 2,434 ft./lbs. of energy. The Knight KP1 Wurfflein in the .45-70 Government caliber centerfire loaded with Hornady's LeverRevolution ammo has a 325-grain polymer tipped bullet that leaves the muzzle at 2,050 fps with 3,032 ft./lbs. of energy.
As you can see, very little difference exists between the two weapons, certainly not enough to make a dramatic difference in killing power. The only real difference between the two weapons that I see, but one I personally appreciate, is that the .45-70 is much easier to clean after a hunt!...

http://www.northamericanwhitetail.com/huntingtactics/WT_magnolia_1108/index1.html
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Yeah but we're not limited to 45-70. We can use anything from 35 Whelen on up. As long as the bullet is .35 caliber or over it's legal.
 
louisiana followed Mississippi on the primitive weapons season. now allowing .45/70 to be fired from any gun designed before 1890 something.
 
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