High Cap Magazines.....who needs them?

-The "I need hi-cap mags for defense" is not an effective argument to use with non-gun people.
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Why not? All you have to do is explain about the possible need for multiple hits on multiple targets. That may not be the typical defense situation but it happens. Police started using them because bad guys started using them. Shouldn't a homeowner also have the right to have an adequate number of rounds at his or her disposal?

-If the only argument in favor of hi-cap mags is "I need them for defense" then that's not only a weak argument but a pretty poor reflection on gun owners.
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Who said it was the only argument? It is an argument and, IMO, a darned good one.
 
Boy, that video is hokey!!! First of all, the shooter has a horrible flinching problem - shuts his eyes every time he pulls the trigger.

Second, how many of you actually looked at the brass? It's .22 brass! Whoever made this video - please we really do notice little things like that.
 
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In the video's defense, the first time I ever leveled my M-4 at some one and squeezed the trigger, I flinched something fierce.

A gun does not make one a steely eyed merchant of death.
 
I didn't think it was too bad. The lighting and film quality was good.

The theme was a little far fetched IMO. I mean it could... happen but seems a little to out there in general.

I think it would be more realistic if the bad guys all barged through one door, a few bullets hit and few bullets got wasted on the wall is a haphazard struggle then.. Empty.
 
When my doorbell or I get a knock on the door without a call first the first thing I reach for is my pistol. IMO the only way to be prepared is to assume the worst. I also have a system that when my doorbell gets pushed and the TV is on it switchs over to the security camera on the front porch.

Home invasions got bad at one time around my parts. Alarm systems dont keep people out but it alerts the neighbors that somthings wrong and limits the time people can "hangout" in te house if they do gain entry.
 
Merad said:
-If the only argument in favor of hi-cap mags is "I need them for defense" then that's not only a weak argument but a pretty poor reflection on gun owners.
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KyJim said:
Who said it was the only argument? It is an argument and, IMO, a darned good one.
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I'm in 100% agreement with KyJim here. Critiques of the video notwithstanding, IMHO the self-defense argument is not only a good argument- it's one of the best ones we have.

Merad, I'm curious why you think it's so weak- on its philosophical merits, disregarding the video.
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I don't own hi-cap mags because I'm afraid of druggies kicking down my door. That's probably the least of my concerns. I own them because they're a convenience and they don't harm anyone or anything.
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It would also be convenient if I could drive 150 mph on the freeway in light traffic, carry my EDC with me onto a commercial airliner, or walk down the street buck naked when the weather is hot.* (That last one would certainly help reduce my clothing budget. ;)) These activities arguably won't harm others if I'm prudent. Yet... as a society, we have decided that various factors make these behaviors inappropriate and/or too risky to tolerate, and we have passed laws prohibiting them.

IMHO convenience is a very weak argument. Many of the emotionally-charged "If It Saves Just One Child's Life..." arguments in favor of severe gun control are based on the flip side of the convenience argument- i.e. guns are ridiculously dangerous, and not very useful for any societally beneficial purpose in the hands of civilians, so it's appropriate to make it highly inconvenient for average folks own them.

*Let's not digress into discussing the merits of these ideas; I'm just being hypothetical. Cheers. :D
 
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Mike in Va. said:
Not to derail the thread, but how many of your DA, semi auto., handguns,
can you dry fire, with the slide locked back ?
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I think the sound effects were just the to make a point to non gun owners who don't know that the locked back slide means the gun is empty. The "click" is a universal sound for anyone who has seen a movie.
 
I concur. That sickening click makes it all the more clear that the guy is out of ammo.

A locked back slide doesn't resonate with folks like that "click" does, in my opinion.
 
Boy, that video is hokey!!! First of all, the shooter has a horrible flinching problem - shuts his eyes every time he pulls the trigger.

Second, how many of you actually looked at the brass? It's .22 brass! Whoever made this video - please we really do notice little things like that.
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Go watch the making of video.

First of all, the first time you see that guy fire the pistol is the first time he EVER fired one. It was done on purpose. It was to help relate to your average firearm owner who likely bought a gun to use for defense, maybe put a box of ammo through it, and stuck it in the safe until it was needed. They even said they casted him because he wasn't LE or military (and most of the people who went to the casting call were), didn't look LE or military, and had almost no firearm experience.

Secondly, honestly, the video wasn't made for you. It wasn't made for gun owners. It was made for the people who are undecided on the issue of standard capacity magazines. Most of those people don't have a whole lot of experience, if any, and couldn't be able to tell the difference between 9mm and 50AE if you held them side by side.

Not to derail the thread, but how many of your DA, semi auto., handguns,
can you dry fire, with the slide locked back ?
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Same thing as above. Very few people outside of firearm owners understand what a locked back slide means. Almost everyone who's ever watched a movie/TV show where there's some kind of a gun fight understands precisely what that "click" means.
 
Good response, Gaerek. Your analysis seems to have been a thread stopper.

Possibly because it was the correct analysis!

The whole point of the PSA was to show what could happen to an ordinary family. You know, the Dad has a gun, but has never really trained or given self defense more than a second thought, after he purchased the gun.

Add to this that if you actually count the shots fired, there weren't 10, there were 7. Remind anyone of a recently enacted law? Given the paucity of training by the majority of gun owners, this scenario is all too likely... Even to the flinching and closed eyes. The PSA also shows the fallacy of the One-Stop-Shot.

Many good things to take away from this, but only if you look at who this is targeted. Trust me. It ain't us!

Skans? 22's??? Take another look.

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Add to this that if you actually count the shots fired, there weren't 10, there were 7. Remind anyone of a recently enacted law?
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I made that connection immediately. The message this PSA was pushing was very clear, even to people who don't know guns. I think the message will be lost on those who think guns are evil, and kill people willy nilly, but for the fence sitter? It should have a powerful message.

Skans? 22's??? Take another look.
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I was going to give him the benefit of the doubt, knowing that they just dropped spent casings for that particular shot. So I went back to watch it again, and the casings eject too fast to be able to get a good idea of the size. All you see is a quick glint of brass. However, the last shot is slow motion and although it's touch to see, it does appear to be bigger than a .22. It appears a but long, but that's likely because they're blanks, so the crimp is going to make the round slightly longer.

I'm going to go with he was using a larger caliber round (9mm is most likely) firing blanks. I can't see any evidence to the contrary.
 
The photo Al attached clearly shows a centerfire cartridge (notice the firing pin indent). Probably a .380 but maybe a .32 acp.
 
Dissension

Lately, the one thing that I find disapointing about these current debates, is the disunity expressed by suppesdly, 2A supporters, NRA members and gunowners, in general. Now, I personally do not find the "Black-Guns" all that attractive as well as 30-round magazines but I certainly would not deny folks from owning them. Some of us would. ..... :confused:

During a recent conversation with a NRA lifer, hunter and competition shooter. He stated that in a perfect world, no one needs a 30-round magazine. My reply was; In a perfect world, the capacity would not matter. All could be trusted with a drum magazine. .... ;)

Stand your ground and;
Be Safe !!!
 
re: high cap magazines who needs them?

I wish some government jerk would sit down and define the government notion of a "high cap magazine", so that the rest of us can figure out how many politicians need to get unelected!

My particular Browning Hi-Power semi-suto's have been produced from the factory with a STANDARD 13-round magazine, since the day they first left the FN plant in Belgium, in 1935!

It is foolishness, to be hopping about, attempting to say what is a 'hi-cap magazine', when these folks don't know the brand of toilet tissue that is iin their house!

Lastly, 'hi-cap magazine', to me, is about as defineable, as 'paying your fair share', which the nation has yet to hear an actual dollar figure put to that nonsense, either!
 
Lastly, 'hi-cap magazine', to me, is about as defineable, as 'paying your fair share', which the nation has yet to hear an actual dollar figure put to that nonsense, either!
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We're slowly moving from American Hi-Cap fair shares to the French standard.

I will not surrender 75% of my hard earned hi-capacity :cool:
 
May 3, 2013, 11:24 AM #1
kraigwy
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I found this video on the CMP Forums and thought it would be worth sharing.

I know the powers to be don't care, as this doesn't fit their agenda but this is work watching and passing around.

Makes me want to have a semi setting around to supplement my 642 in my pocket.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7F1nP...layer_embedded
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kraigwy,

Thank you for posting the video. I copied and pasted that to my "revolver" buds who say "You'll never need more than 5-6 shots."

I ONLY have high capacity semi's for personal defense, the exception of "high capacity" being the KelTec's we have. The double stacks like the Glocks, the XD-45, the Beretta 92FS, etc are what I consider my personal carry / primary home defense pistols.

This has been repeated a zillion times, but it's so true......"Better to have it and not need it than to need it and not have it." My grandpap drilled that into my head in the 1960's and I never forgot it. Nor could I argue against it.
 
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