High Cap 9mm's?

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why is it that the trend happens to be high capacity 9mm's> Is it the ineffectiveness of the 9mm round or the possible threat of multiple attackers?
If you are to believe real life scenerios, police officers seem to shoot multiple times with the 9mm more so than with revolvers.
You would read the paper and see "a perp" shot in the old days but nowadays they often include ammo counts.
The 9mm works out very healthy in respects of FPE.
I dunno maybe it's the damnable smear tactics Police are blamed for these days. I believe this is media driven too! Create the news if you don't have any!
JMHO
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why is it that the trend happens to be high capacity 9mm's> Is it the ineffectiveness of the 9mm round or the possible threat of multiple attackers?
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Because when it comes to firepower, more is generally better.

As far as effectiveness goes, the 9mm is just as ineffective as .40SW or .45ACP (compared to a rifle round).

Not sure what exactly you mean by "high capacity," though. Standard capacity for most fullsize double-stack 9mm pistols ranges from about 15-19 rounds.
 
If you are to believe real life scenerios, police officers seem to shoot multiple times with the 9mm more so than with revolvers.
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Because they have more bullets to fire with the semiautomatic in the first place...

If I shoot a revolver dry, I've shot 6 shots. If I shoot a Glock 17 dry, I've shot 17 shots.
 
All handguns are relatively poor "stoppers" regardless of caliber or bullet used. Shot placement and sufficient penetration are paramount, all else is secondary. Barring a hit to the CNS, the only way to stop an aggressive and determined BG is shutting down the brain from oxygen deprivation due to bleedout. However, even a solid hit to the heart can leave 10+ seconds of oxygen in the brain, plenty of time for the BG to plant daisies in your hair.
I expect all handguns to underperform, some underperform worse than others.

With that being said, the more shots I have available, the greater the chance for me to end the encounter in my favor, whether that requires 1 shot or 15+.
Tomac
 
9mm is more powerful and a better stopper than .38 Special. Even if they were the same power, why have 6 when you can have 15 or more in the same size platform.

I remember a story on GlockTalk.com about a police officer armed with a Glock21 that pulled over a bank robber suspect that didn't want to be arrested. During the gunfight, the officer hit the perp 17 times before the suspect stopped. It took a head shot to end the fight. The suspect was not under the influence of any drugs. The suspect started firing before the officer had a chance to get out of the squad car. The officer fired a total of 33 rounds total leaving him with only 5 rounds left in the remaining magazine in his Glock and on his person. He has since traded his Glock 21 for a higher capacity Glock 17. The head shot that stopped the perp could have easily been done with a 9mm. Capacity is a real factor in a fight. Sometimes having a lot of ammo can save you.
 
Because why would you want to carry fewer rounds than you could physically fit into a flush magazine? Has anyone in history ever said before a gun fight, "boy, I really wish I had less ammo?".

That's also the reason behind the higher capacities in .45 ACP, too (15 rounds in the FNX-45, 14 round extended mags now available for the Sig 227, etc.). If I can squeeze an extra round in there, I want an extra round in there.
 
Most often forgotten thing ?? TRAINING ! When cops [NYPD ] started using a high cap mag the actual count of hits in a gunfight was only 10 %. Now with some improvemants in training it's highr but not as a high as with revolver.
 
As police departments transitioned from revolvers to hi-capacity semi-automatics, training, tactics and mindset evolved simultaneously. With revolvers, officers could not fire 7 shots at a violent offender because the sidearm did not allow them to do so. Now, the officer can fire until the assailant is down with little worry of firing until empty and with a much more rapid reload procedure if the gun does go empty. I was taught to fire until the threat is no longer a threat. Current practices are safer for the officer, and are therefore more sensible, as they are more likely to incapacitate the criminal. The comparison between this now and then aspect of police tactics is an illogical apples to oranges argument which has gained undeserved attention because (I agree with you) the media has done what they do best: sensationalize a non-issue.
 
Ammo is light, more is always better. A motivated attacker can keep on coming through a pretty good number of shots that hit non-vital areas
 
Stressful situations change everything. How many times do you read or see news stories where very high round counts amount to 1 or 2 hits. You're better off with as much ammo as you can carry.
 
For the first time in my life, (or maybe the second already), Today I bought a new gun, because of the high capacity. It is a CZ 75 BD, 16+1 9mm.
Until now, I was told, that my .357 magnum is capable to kill the soul too, not only the body.
We are hoping to have it, and NEVER need it.
 
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@Tomac
All handguns are relatively poor "stoppers" regardless of caliber or bullet used.
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Twaddle. Most 9mm cartridges including the .380 have ample energy at close quarters to change a guys mind. Quite literally.

@Tomac
Shot placement and sufficient penetration are paramount.
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Shot placement—With any firearm not just handguns.
Penetration—Not so much "sufficient" but "appropriate". The projectile behavior in soft tissue is the single most important aspect of the entire equation.

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Actually what's up with these "double action" revolvers anyway? I mean you can't cock the hammer yourself? What do you need to just dump six shots for anyway? If you aren't cocking the hammer you must not be really aiming.

And actually, what's up with these "revolvers" anyway? A single shot muzzle loader is obviously more reliable and accurate. I mean if you need more than one shot maybe you shouldn't be handling a gun anyway... Right??

:p
 
My carry sidearm carries 20 rounds of Hornady 135 gr Critical Duty +P ammo. I think that should do. Even so, I carry spare mags -weight/space aren't bad, and like it has been said, nobody exited a gunfight complaining of too much ammo.

 
Did you guys miss the thread yesterday about police officers and their required qualifications.......some departments only qualifying once a year because the bean counters figure it is less expensive to have less qualified officers and pay the law suits then to have proper training......same thing with a revolver an proper training six is enough unless multiple assailants of course.
 
why is it that the trend happens to be high capacity 9mm's> Is it the ineffectiveness of the 9mm round or the possible threat of multiple attackers?
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Not a trend. It's been a fact since the late 80's. Even more so now due to high performance ammo.
 
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