Hi vs. Lo brass - the myth

The physics aren't simple when your observations aren't consistent with the anticipated results. I suspect there's something more complicated involved.

Likening the physics of a balloon to a shotshell, I assumed an all plastic hull without a separate base wad. Since you're using hulls with significant paper base wads, you've complicated a simple example.

Do the hulls you're using have the same height base wads? Obviously the base wads complicate the loading of the metal bases. If they aren't uniformly loaded, then different deflections may be anticipated. This explains what you're experiencing within the bounds of simple physics. (Remembering my undergraduate days, calculating deflections was a pain in the rear. Simple mechanics didn't seem so simple.)

Baltz526, have you tried unibody type plastic hulls? Perhaps you wouldn't experience the extractions problems if you eliminate the paper base wad hulls.

Over the years, I've gone through a king's ransom in shot shell components reloading for practice and competition. I've always looked for low pressure loads to reduce the wear and tear on the guns and my shoulder. From my perspective, a 11,600 psi 12-ga load is on the high side. I looked at some of my loading guides and didn't see any loads that high. Your guide may have loads that are 11,600 psi in their test barrels; but, that doesn't mean it's the same in your 870. Could some of your extraction problems be related to over-pressure? And, 870 Expresses have been the continuous subject of extraction difficulties.
 
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Why would you need 11,600 psi loads? 6-7000 psi loads will do the job with less stress on the gun and your body as Zippy mentioned above.
 
Weren't there some all brass shells back around early 1900's? Seems I read that somewhere. Or did I dream it?
They're still making them. Check this and the reloading forum's archives.
 
I do not load target loads, too cheap to just buy them when i need them. My comment is basicly if you are loading high pressure hunting loads, cheap low brass trap hulls are not the best hull to use. If there is a high brass version of the hull, your extraction will be more reliable. Out here on the desert shooting can be long, Most of the shells i shoot are steel shot loads. To get the velocity needed for consistant clean bird kills pressures are high in all my reloads. In an attempt to reduce cost per shell in my reloads i have tried cheap trap low brass hulls like the federal top gun, cheddite, rio, gold metal, sts. All these hulls have a high brass version. If i ever get extraction problems, it is always with the low brass version of the hull. I do not look at the hull like a ballon, I look at it like a cylinder containing a controlled explosion. The peak pressure of this explosion happens as the full compression of the wad and shot column hits the crimp. the longer the hull brass is, this deflection is spread over this longer length. The total deflection is the hull size prefiring verse chamber size at complete expansion with peak pressure. The high brass springs back to prefired dimensions better than low brass is all i'm saying.
 
I do not load target loads, too cheap to just buy them when i need them.

Not decent loads it isn't - if you consider the crap from wally world decent, then I guess you need to reevaluate things

You live in the desert and shoot steel??? Why is that? Are you required?

Having lived out West, quail, chukar, grouse, were all hunted with lead
 
Quail chukar and pheasants can be hunted in the same area as ducks are found. If i want to shoot at a duck, it is illegal to have any lead shot on my person. This is state and federal law. Around here the good and the cheap target shells run $5.89 on average, but i do not buy shells at walmart, at least i have not bought at walmart since they quit selling hunting shells several years ago.
 
Mao-Mart

Now where ya gonna find a Mao-Mart in good ol LA pine Gotta go all the way to the big city for that:)
Man has that town grown, heck I can't even find my way around there any more, gotta find 3rd street to figger out where I am.
 
old enough

I hunted w/ paper shells as a kid, and Dad and I marveled at the first plastic shells we saw. (they were .410's)

But there's something about those old "high brass" shells, plastic or paper, that say, "I mean business".

I occasionally find a fired, corroded old high brass shell when afield, usually not much left. I try and picture the hunter, his gun, what was he hunting, did he hit or miss?

Thanks for the post, a trip down memory lane.
 
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