Hi Point Prankster Strikes Again!

Threegun, "inferior" is a subjective term in your case. Steel is inferior to gold because it doesn't hold the same value, Zamak-3 or whatever may not have the same weight to tensile strength as steel does, but it functions as it should in the hi-point design, just as plastic does for glocks and ceramic does for coffee cups. So saying a material is inferior doesn't exactly hold water when you're comparing apples to oranges. And, btw, declaring you are the winner on the internet is like saying you're "king of the hill" when you step on a pile of dog ****.
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I won the disagreement and have no problems pointing that out. Especially when folks sarcastically say things like Try again!!! only to be wrong.

To the point though......the use of zamak-3 increases the weight and decreases the life span. This alone wouldn't be an issue since you shouldn't expect a very cheap new gun to last like its more expensive counterparts. My problem with HiPoint is with reliability and not being able to keep the chamber loaded safely.
 
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The reason the Hi-point clunkers need a bigger slide is simply that the mass of a frangible zinc slide is so low they have to boost it in size to make it work.

I read the post referring to "zamak-3" and the reality of Wikipedia being an adaptable platform was foremost in my mind. Readers can edit information and Wikipedia posts it sans question as the "gospel". They can call roadapples zamak-3 if they want to but it doesn't change the reality that Hi Point slides are made of cast zinc. Frangible zinc, if you like. "POT METAL" if you're old enough to remember when Tinkers would travel the countryside repairing cooking pans and pots with it. They melted it over a wood or coal fire and used it as a solder to patch holes in pots.

If folks want to shoot hi points they have that right. They are going to have to understand that a lot of shooters are never going to accept the guns as dependable or worth the effort. As long as I can go to a local gun store and buy a Police trade-in S&W or Glock at a really decent price I'll also never swallow that "I can't afford anything else" line of bush wah.
 
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Inventix Manufacturing uses zinc alloys in the die casting process because of their exceptional strength, durability and cost-effectiveness. These zinc materials have proven successful in an unlimited range of applications — from flawless chrome components for top-of-the-line motorcycles to complex, interlocking parts for sophisticated locking mechanisms.

We use four top-quality zinc alloys — Zamak 3, Zamak 5, ZA-8 and Zamak 2 — because they offer unique advantages for creating high-precision die castings.
Zamak 3: As the most popluar zinc alloy, Zamak 3 features exceptional ductility and impact strength. It works very well with multiple plating and finishing options.
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Just one quick search...Still not "inferior", just different.
Steel is inferior to titanium in some ways. Aluminum is inferior to steel in some ways. Carbon steel is inferior to stainless steel in some ways.

Never said High-Points are heirloom firearms, or the best choice for self defense. Just pointed out that they work, were proven almost indestructible in the videos posted, and can serve the purpose of informal shooting quite well at a reasonable price. Am I going to sell my S&W 645, Colt Officer, Beretta 92fs, Glock 20, or Springer XD40, or anything else to buy a bunch of them, no. Am I probably going to buy one just to play with in the future, probably.
 
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To the OP... Hilarious I must say.

To all the people who use the word Gun snob... I don't care if I am called a gun snob, really I just buy what guns I like.

I work at a gun shop so yes I get some discounts... but I am also right out of college and paying back HUGE student loans... that doesn't stop me from owning older Sako rifles, a BCM AR, 1911's, H&K P7, S&W Revolvers, Fox Sterlingworth shotguns ... and so on.

I buy the guns I like, and spend what I am comfortable spending... everyone should do the same, no point in arguing about it. If you are happy buying a Hi Point or whatever then so be it.

Out of all the expensive ones I have... I DO have a Bryco .32 ACP I got for free (10$ transfer fee) and I don't even shoot it.:D Merely a fancy looking paper weight, and I occasionally take it to the range much like the OP did as a joke.
 
To all the people who use the word Gun snob... I don't care if I am called a gun snob, really I just buy what guns I like.
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everyone should do the same, no point in arguing about it. If you are happy buying a Hi Point or whatever then so be it.
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That means you are very much NOT a gun snob!!!:D

A gun snob spends post after post on forums telling others how stupid they are for buying, and enjoying what they choose. Someone who thinks that only those who can afford the very highest priced firearms are worthy of being a gun owner.

No, HKFan9, you're not a gun snob!!!
 
A gun snob spends post after post on forums telling others how stupid they are for buying, and enjoying what they choose. Someone who thinks that only those who can afford the very highest priced firearms are worthy of being a gun owner
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So why was the gun snob lable placed on me? I could care less if someone chooses to buy the cheapest firearm available. Its not my life or family's life on the line. I simply wanted to make sure my experience, which is completely opposite of good, was posted so that folks could make a better dicision. A decision based on all the facts.

I shoot Glocks, hardly expensive snob guns.
 
I shoot Glocks, hardly expensive snob guns.
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Inexpensive yes, snobbish? most glock owners are that. If ya dont own a glock you need to be schooled by a glock owner.....blah blah blah own a glock, fine by me, own a hi point, fine by me.

Just dont try to take mine away from me, that gets me upset....


Once again, a fine jennings 9mm for any caliber hi point :) any caliber...I will pay shipping......
 
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Once again, a fine jennings 9mm for any caliber hi point any caliber...I will pay shipping......
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You own a Jennings 9mm? You're hardly the person I'd want to take firearm choice advice from then.
 
"You own a Jennings 9mm? You're hardly the person I'd want to take firearm choice advice from then."
why not? he owns a Jennings he could tell you the pros and cons of that fire arm with experience and also point out helpful hints about what to look for in a fire arm just like the people that only own a glock , fn, hk, sw, and any other fire arm thats like saying because you own a pinto you dont know anything about a vehicle or what a good vehicle is. a wiser thing to do is to take advice for what it is worth to you. most the time the guy with the crappy yugo or pinto has to work on it and can tell you the ins and outs the gap in the plugs and every other little detail about its working while the jonses with their new Mercedes refuse to work on it at home because its too nice and in the end only know what the brochure and the sales men told them, and maybe a little driving experience. i am of the mindset that you learn on simple things and then as you mindset, experience and needs change you adopt new ideas, then you up grade.
as far as a safe personal protection fire arm i would chose an off brand over many of the big names simply because big names follow money. the money typicly comes from people that read brochures and buy a sales man and hearsay with little home work. im sure glocks jam and stovepipe have soft strike etc. they are not perfect, nothing is. as for my reasons of buying cheap, i dont care for double action only or D/S action semi auto. i like my single action because the are safer to have around the house with my kids at home, single actions typicly have more safety features than just a long trigger pull or the funny trigger safety that doesnt let the weapon fire if the trigger thingy isnt manipulated. wish i knew the names of the parts but i wasnt impressed enough to even want to hear what they are called. i like being able to drop the hammer with out a discharge. it is easier to find my needs and wants in a throw down then in the bigger name firearms and still have a lower price tag. just like the guy with the pinto if you now how to fix it to keep it running smooth you are in the same boat as the people who send it to the shop. both have the functionality they desire and the bill they are willing to pay. i enjoy working on firearms. i love to buy the junkers cause i can make them as nice as i need them to be. (glock was only used as a reference and any other name can be inserted) i hope you can see the point that i am trying to convey and please dont focus on the particulars of the example just the point of them
 
If you don't like a type of gun...then DON'T BUY IT! It's as simple as that. There's a lot of guns I would not own. Buy what YOU like! Who cares what others think. It's childish arguments! That's why there is more than one brand in almost every product you could buy. We all have choices. Make the one you feel is best, not what other people would make. If you like Hi-Point, great...if you don't, great! Your choice! ;)
 
If you don't like a type of gun...then DON'T BUY IT! It's as simple as that. There's a lot of guns I would not own. Buy what YOU like! Who cares what others think.
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Really

if it's safe and makes you happy what is the big deal?
 
You own a Jennings 9mm?
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Lets just say it is in my possesion. It was bought in 1992 or so, my friend paid 100 for it, took it out jammed up every second shot. Got a new mag same tjhing. I gave him a 9x18 makorov for it and it has been in the safe since. It is a dangerous gun, many have had them fire when unloading.

My post was to show there are far more dangerous weapons out there, teh hi point isnt one of them.

That jennings is a reminder to always do some research and never listen to a guy wants to sell a handgun for 100 in teh back of a auto repair shop.

I did buy a good remington 1100 for 100, the guy didnt have enough to pay his bill, he goes to the trunk opens it and pulls a shotgun out.. he wanted to trade or sell it, I took it and gave him his car then went and changed my shorts...

So you never made one little mistake in your life ever? :) What car you own?
 
Inexpensive yes, snobbish? most glock owners are that. If ya dont own a glock you need to be schooled by a glock owner.....blah blah blah own a glock, fine by me, own a hi point, fine by me.
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Fine by me also............However this is a firearm forum. When you see a discussion and you have experience in the subject matter, whether good or bad, you should give your experience. Especially when your experience differs so radically from the others.

There are folks on here who have never heard of HiPoint. If they see all the posts touting it as great they might be persuaded to buy one for self defense. A dose of thread reality was needed.

Many folks, myself included, live by the "buy what you want I could care less" rule. I really don't care as its your choice your decisions your consequences. What I do care about is folks being feed sugar when reality calls for lemon juice.

Hi Points are not safe to carry chamber loaded.
Hi Points are not as reliable as most top flight fighting handguns.
Hi Points are flat out unreliable with hollow point defensive ammunition.
Hi Points are more difficult to conceal due to larger size/caliber ratio.
Hi Points are prone to firing pin breakage especially if dry fired often.
Hi Points have common magazine issues.

This is based on non bias first hand knowledge.

http://firearm.skidome.org/fireoverhp.htm

Follow this link to see a Hi Point competition shooter and fan. On this page he says he has 6500 rounds without a single malfunction.

My HI-POINT 9mm comp is now 2 years old. I have shot over 6,500 rounds without problems with accuracy, feeding, or jamming.
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Then he goes on to describe how he has remedied multiple different feeding problems including reoccurring ones. He also explains away another failure to feed here.

Last weekend I practiced and shot about 200 rounds. Toward the last 20 rounds the slide seemed to move slow. I did have one stovepipe (failure to eject) I think that is when the firing pin came forward and then bent slightly
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Seems this fan has had plenty of problems yet he still claims 100 percent reliability. I can't help but believe, after my extensive experience with Hi Points, that they are all that I posted above and possibly more.

Now if you still want to buy a HiPoint, having all the information at hand, then go for it and enjoy.
 
There are folks on here who have never heard of HiPoint. If they see all the posts touting it as great they might be persuaded to buy one for self defense. A dose of thread reality was needed.
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I have shot them, have friends own them and have no issues at all with them. I dont let internet rumors make my deciosions for me. As I said if he wants one fine go for it, after he has it he will more than likely move up as my friends have, they still own and shoot their hi points.

Step away from the keyboard andd go out and live a little. Next time do the entire quote, not just the part makes you feel all uppity and all that. I know a lot about guns, own many guns, shoot guns and fix them when they are broke.

Now maybe Icould interest you in a jennings 9mm? with no firing pin, I removed it.....

Thread is about funning a guy with a hi point or did ya misss that? hahahahaha LOL ROFLMAO etc
 
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have shot them, have friends own them and have no issues at all with them. I dont let internet rumors make my deciosions for me. As I said if he wants one fine go for it, after he has it he will more than likely move up as my friends have, they still own and shoot their hi points.

Step away from the keyboard andd go out and live a little. Next time do the entire quote, not just the part makes you feel all uppity and all that. I know a lot about guns, own many guns, shoot guns and fix them when they are broke.

Now maybe Icould interest you in a jennings 9mm? with no firing pin, I removed it.....

Thread is about funning a guy with a hi point or did ya misss that? hahahahaha LOL ROFLMAO etc
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There quoted the whole post.

This thread was about funnin a guy but then it was changed into a how great are Hi Points thread.

BTW I never questioned your experience with firearms.

We agree with the get what you want.

It was very funny. I would have ejected soda through my nose if he had done that to me.

Oh almost forgot........how much you gonna pay for me to take that jennings off your hands LOL.
 
Oh almost forgot........how much you gonna pay for me to take that jennings off your hands LOL.
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Now thats funny right there. Maybe you could cough up a good makarov so I can shoot up all this ammo that wont work in my hi power :)

We could use it as a target, first one to split the slide wins.

I saw a hi point in a pawn shop they wanted almost 230.00 for it, told him they was 120 at the gun show NIB.....
 
I've no problem calling H-P firearms junk. What i find so curious is that for the same price or less you could have a Mak, Tok, CZ, used S&W revolver or police trade-in Glock. I know what i would rather have when lives are on the line. It's a no-brainer..

Guess that makes me a snob. . :rolleyes:
 
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