Hi Point C9

it would be a perfect sidekick to your mosin nagant. a largely unrefined and rough design that works and works well, but ergonomics, fine tuning, aesthetics and balance were likely not part of the hi point drawing board.
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Very good analogy. Basic, rough, crude, but completely functional, and reliable.
Equating the MN to it's counter parts of the time like the K98 Mauser, and Springfield '03 is like comparing the Hi-Point to a Glock or Springfield XD.
 
Certainly not the case with my C9. 100% reliable with anything I fed it from the very first round.
Can't say for sure with my JHP because it was used when I got it. But it didn't appear to have many rounds through it. Nothing showed any sign of wear, ore even use. Lime the C9, 100% reliable from the get-go.
I'm not saying they are better than some guns costing a bit more, and a bit more "refined". But for what they are, they are the best.
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I definitely hear of them working more often than not.

I was just stating that if any issues do arise, its usually just initial break in related, and will work out after a short time.


As far as cleaning, a wipe down and oiling is good enough most of the time. Using spray cleaner if it gets really bad is usually good enough with a simple design like a hipoint.

I have taken apart a used one for a friend to give it a once over and make sure it was GTG and cleaned and lubed correctly.

He got is for something like $70 a couple years back, rear sight was broken. It worked well otherwise. I told him to call hipoint, as they would likely just mail him a sight. I think he ended up giving it to his dad to keep in his truck after he got a CCW.
 
Wouldnt own one in a pistol.
However the carbine version I own in 40 has shot ALOT of rounds. Ive done nothing but clean the bore and chamber. NEVER been apart NEVER had a malfunction. Has a lil 4x scope on it and can hold a 1 in group at 50yds all day.

Many low cost better quality new and used guns available today in SA pistols.


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Thanks. I wonder why they don't change the look of them. If they refined the shape while keeping the price low I feel like they would sell much better.
 
I wonder why they don't change the look of them. If they refined the shape while keeping the price low I feel like they would sell much better.
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Change costs money. They would have to pay for R&D, new manufacturing equipment, more costly materials if they wanted to make them look sleeker/weigh less without compromising structural integrity, etc. Then they would have to pass those costs on to the customers in order to recoup the expense.

As it is, they are the only guns that I know of in their price range that have a good reputation. If they made them look nicer, that would raise costs, and they would just be another decent mid-priced gun rather than King of the super cheap guns.
 
Hi Points generally go for under $180, which is as cheap as it gets for 9mm handguns. I'm of the opinion that if Hi Point made a better trigger, removed the mag disconnect safety, came out with a doublestack model with higher capacity, and made the slide easier to rack and the improved "Higher Point" was about $250, I think it'd sell just as well as what they make now.

I don't see any improvements in trying to reduce the size/weight of the guns as being a good idea because that requires doing away with the straight blowback design, which is proven to work in the Hi Point handguns. Changing from the straight blowback would basically turn the guns into Kel Tec and SCCY clones and those are reported to have much more reliability issues than the Hi Points do.
 
Change costs money. They would have to pay for R&D, new manufacturing equipment, more costly materials if they wanted to make them look sleeker/weigh less without compromising structural integrity, etc. Then they would have to pass those costs on to the customers in order to recoup the expense.
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Ya never thought of that. Would cost a lot. Although this does make me wonder why they didn't shape it better in the first place:confused:
 
Cheapshooter keeps calling these guns indestructible.
Let me tell you about zinc-
It's easy to cast at low temperature, and it's cheap. These are the only good points
It doesn't bend, it breaks.
The tensile strength is extremely low compared to steel.
Zinc is extremely soft and doesn't wear well.

The reason HiPoint slides are so big and clunky, is that the mass is necessary to make up for the lack of strength-not because the gun is a blowback gun.

Hi points usually work, but their construction leaves much to be desired.
 
I've owned two and . . .

I've owned two C9. The first one stove piped a lot until I sent it in for repair. Upon return they gave me an extra mag and a peep sight and the thing ran just fine. The second one ran fine from day one. I sold them both off to buy "better" guns, but part of me thinks I should have kept one.

Life is good.
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Not every gun has to have a "purpose" for me. I guess about 10-12 years ago, I bought a High Point C-9 for two reasons. (1) to see if they were as bad as the internet experts said they were (I didn't think anything could be THAT bad. If you think they get bashed today, you should have been around back then.) And (2) just for the fun of it. I didn't plan to carry it. I wasn't going to use it to hold off the godless hordes or the United Nations troops. I was going to punch holes in a piece of paper.

And it performed almost flawlessly. I say "almost" because I had a half dozen misfeeds out of one box of "range reloads". I blamed them on the ammo. With factory ammo, WWB, Blazer Brass, Rem-UMC, and American Eagle, it just plain worked. I thought it was comfortable in my hand. I didn't think it was much if any uglier than any other "black pistol" I'd ever seen. Hard to clean? I never "cleaned" it. I sprayed it with WD-40, used a Q-tip to clean around the chamber, and shoved a paper towel patch through the barrel with a pencil. That's all the "cleaning" it got.

I put about 2500 rounds through that silly thing before I got bored with it. It rested in my safe for a few years before I sold it off. It looked about the same when I sold it as it did the day I got it. I sold it for about what I'd paid for it, and had a half dozen people who said "I'll take it if he doesn't." standing in line.

I had a 9mm carbine too. I didn't shoot that one near as much, but it was a good gun too. I just don't care much for shoulder guns, and ended up selling it too.
 
Hi-Points are good guns for the $$$, i kinda equate them to Lee Precision reloading products, the most value for your $$$, but they aren't pretty guns though but they usually go bang every time the trigger is pulled.
 
Cheapshooter keeps calling these guns indestructible.
Let me tell you about zinc-
It's easy to cast at low temperature, and it's cheap. These are the only good points
It doesn't bend, it breaks.
The tensile strength is extremely low compared to steel.
Zinc is extremely soft and doesn't wear well.
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Indestructable based on the series of torture test videos by iraqveteran8888. You obviously haven't bothered to watch. Maybe if you do you can reflect on at what point in the tests a gun made by an "approved" maker at many times the price would have failed. The 25% over charged round, the 50% over charged round. The 223 case hammered into the bore, the steel bolt hammered into the bolt. I doubt that any "approved" gun would get to the final test that finally kaboomed the Hi-Point. Heck, some Glocks kaboom without even being subjected to the torture.

https://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=AbvvurXmAmg

https://m.youtube.com/#/watch?list=PL42916C505DA82E19&v=xmt5QB814Tw

https://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=2FoWpog5KU4

https://m.youtube.com/#/watch?list=PL42916C505DA82E19&v=p_HXtEvjlGg

https://m.youtube.com/#/watch?list=PL42916C505DA82E19&v=LKkQm5TRaWE
 
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But that $200 handgun can "kaboom" all by itself-without all the torture testing.
As I said, zinc has no "give," like steel or aluminum. It doesn't flex-it simply breaks. It can even break if you drop it just right on concrete. The moving parts also wear out rapidly because zinc is soft.
I agree that the guns work, they have a good warranty, and they are cheap.
They have a good warranty because the profit margin on them is extremely high. Make junk at a huge profit and fix it free-this concept works.
But they are not wonderful guns-they are the bottom of the barrel.
That can't be disputed.
 
It's true zinc is kinda brittle, but so is aluminum, and zamak is not just zinc just like steel is not just iron.

Many a conversations was had about polymer guns namely the glock although not the first certainly the one to polarize the material.
That material comes in many forms and while often with flexibility there are some that are extremely hard as well so not all is equal.

As far as cost goes there is no doubt that the HP C9 is built as simply and cheaply as possible but that does not mean it fails in it's design goals.
The slide MIGHT be heavier then it needs to be, well then it's over built, but there is no doubt that at least some of it's bulk is due to it's blow back design, what % of that bulk I do not know.

High stress parts on a HP are steel, so right material at the right spots.

You can't really knock it being cheaply produced when that was a design parameter, almost every new gun design follows the same path to material savings these days, striker fired, polymer, and MIM

Course people distrusted polymer, now everyone uses it, everyone bashed mfgs like Taurus who used MIM, now everyone's fav mfg uses it at least in some fashion so that settled that.

How much does it cost to produce a "top tier" glock? dunno seen estimates but nothing is concrete although im sure it's a lot less than it's $500 price tag.
Do we knock glock despite this even though they sell for more then some guns made of more expensive (all metal design) materials, No.. We don't

Honestly I owned a HP before the torture videos. Even I was shocked how much abuse they took, But abuse them they surely did.

The HP designers must have been pretty smart to get such durability out of such "bottom of the barrel" guns. ;)

HP is not my first choice but brother there is a whole other bottom under that HP.
 
I agree about the HP slides. Just take a look at the other guns with Zamak Slides, none of them have the bulk of a HP But what they do have is larger springs. Do they fail more than HP? I don't know, mine hasn't yet. I like my cheap gun collection amd enjoy shooting them. I also love my middle of the road and higher end ones too. I'm a "gun" guy, what can I say?

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I've been tempted to try an HP due to the good reviews and super cheap price. Mostly just out of curiosity, but every time I look at one or pick one up I just can't bring myself to buy it. I'm not knocking them, I guess regardless of price I just can't bring myself to get something that looks this cheap. I already got my cheap gun fix with my Taurus PT111 G2, I like it well enough for what it's good for and carry it in my car every day.
 
But that $200 handgun can "kaboom" all by itself-without all the torture testing.
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Really? Where do you find those $200 Glocks? The namesake of surprise kabooms!
No matter what criticism aimed at Hi-Point, mostly unfounded, a Kaboom unrelated to abuse has never been mentioned!

I've been tempted to try an HP due to the good reviews and super cheap price. Mostly just out of curiosity, but every time I look at one or pick one up I just can't bring myself to buy it.
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Believe me, it took several "almosts" before I bought that C9. More than the main reason, but the only reason was to see if it could possibly be as bad as the haters claimed. I was so pleasantly surprised that I bought a second Hi-Point in 45acp.
Not only do they make a good knock around gun, what ever that is. Personally I don't "knock around any of my guns. Be they Hi-Point, S&W, Colt, or whatever. But the Hi-Point is also an accurate, and comfortable range gun.
 
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