Hey all you old guys... shooting 200 - 500 yards...

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I think it's time for some new glass... I'm finding as I get older my eyes don't seem to be helping me shoot the longer range targets, & I've been lately "mooving up" a couple notches on the power ring of the multi power scopes... I think my highest power "multi" is at 20X ( only one... a Simmons ) ( & no, I'm not bragging about that one, it's left over from a cheaper AR flat top build I did many years ago as a P Dog gun ) & I have a couple unertl's one at 15X & one at 20X in straight powers... but the bulk of my glass ranges from 12 to 16X on the higher ends

I can't honestly justify too many scopes over $500.00 & I don't like when they get so "twitchy" on the big ring with the super high magnification... what kinds / models / powers are you guys using on your casual paper punchers out to between 200 & 500 yards
 
On a build I just recently completed, the customer bought a Burris XTR Xtreme Tactical 4-16X50mm. Wow, a heavy-duty piece of optical equipment. Only thing I really didn't like about it was the 1 MOA elevation adjustments. But it's not my scope, so why should I care?

One I was also pleased with was a Bushnell Elite 8-32X40, although as the day started to dim, the scope got pretty dark.

Another one that really surprised me was a Konus M-30 8-32X52. Really good quality glass with a little pizzazz.

Then of course, there's always the L guys. I really like the Leupold FX fixed power scopes, and they come from 6x all the way up to 45X.
 
You'll get plenty of opinions on this one. I've got some 4.5x14 scopes (Leupold and Burris), a 6x18 Leupold VX2, and a 6.5x20 VariX III (and a few others). For out to 400 or so, I'm good with any of them. Out past that, I've found that I like the BDC dots or lines. So if you want a usable scope for less than $500, I'd recommend the Burris FFII with the BDC dots. That's only $300. The Nikon 4x16 would be good, but I personally don't like their approach to the BDC dots. The Leupold 6x18 has turned out to be a good choice, and their BDC dots are about right. That Burris has been a great scope and it's the one that I first started using the BDC system on. Like I've said to folks, I didn't trust the dots. But...one day along came a big hog at 400 (per the rangefinder) and I put that specific dot on him and squeezed and down he went. Same thing later on a coyote at 400. So now I trust the dots.

And then there are the scopes with range adjustment turrets, but I'll stay out of that conversation.
 
Hmmm. Never have had a clarity problem with a scope. And since my cadillac surgery early last year, I can actually work fairly well with irons.

Offhand, I don't think that magnification is as much of the problem as reasonable quality of the glass and some attention given to getting the eyepiece set for focus. I guess.
 
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If you are having difficulty seeing targets with a 20X scope it maybe be time to visit your local eye Doctor. I had that problem and found out I had cataracts. Got two new lens in the old eyes and they are 20/15. Giving up my high power scopes and going back to my K4's.
 
I'm 65 (for a few more weeks). My recommendation is to buy the best you can almost afford. In my case that has been Leupold Vari-X III. Next time, maybe Swarovski, Schmidt-Bender or Nightforce (with luck, only 2 to 3 times the cost of a decent bolt action rifle.)
 
Me and several prairie dog shooting friends have a bunch of those Simmons 6x-20x 44mag scopes and have been happy with them. The newer ones with the side parallax adjustment don't seem to be quite as good. However, at 100 bucks a pop from Natchez they still work fine too, even when cranked up to 20 power and looking at a prairie dog 300 to 500 yards away. I think they are the best bang for the buck, and decent glass.

I'd say between me and my friends we have over a dozen of them and have never had a problem, using them hard on the prairie for more than 15 years. As far as accuracy goes, they are as accurate as any scope. Most of our rifles are shooting 1/2-inch groups at 100 yards with these scopes on them.
 
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My serious paper puncher, Fclass-T/R rifle wears a Burris XTR 6-24x. It is a better scope than I am long range shooter. The 30mm tube, side parallex adjustment and mil-dot reticle are all the "in" things, and I got a price I couldn' pass up.

On the other end, the scope I may be shooting the most these days is a Bushnell Elite fixed 10x, with target knobs and mil-dot. Its on a heavy barrel .22. As long as I shoot past 50 yds with it, there is no issue. It would be nice if it was parallex adjustable, but for less than $200 (at the time) its been more than satisfactory.
 
Thanks for the suggestions guys... I probably own 20 or so Burris scopes ( with Contenders, the scope budget needs to be deep ) & they are some of my favorites...

... I had been looking at a Konus that IIRC is on sale at Midway right now...

I'm just starting to put the interiour finish paneling up on my ( lifetime dream ) large walk in gun safe, so the shooting budget is pretty shot for the next 6 months or so... but finally hanging everything on the wall where I can see them, is going to point to some glareing needs... & I'm guessing longer range scopes are going to be 1st on the list
 
I have some higher magnification variables but seldom use anything above 12x. I checked out a couple of my long range rifles a couple of weeks ago and found no problem holding on a 10"x13" target at 800 yards using an old T-10 Weaver.
 
In my humble opinion the better the glass the less power on the ring needed! No glass distortion is key.
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Right, what you need is more quality, not more X's. You don't have to spend $500, but you won't find it at $200 either. There are some $400-$500 3-9X40 scopes out there that will do what you need. The greater a scopes power the more important quality is.

At $399 you can get an awful lot of scope with a 3-9X Zeiss Conquest. The new production Leupold VX-2's are a great scope for $100 less. I cannot suggest anything less expensive.
 
I don't think it's the power but the quality of the optics that's causing you problems. There are many reasonably priced scopes that really shine. Take a look through them at the sportshop.
 
As I have grown older, my eyesight has changed. No surprise here. I have found that resetting the focus on the scope seems to cure that. All my scopes, save a very few also have A/O. To "reset" my scope for my vision, I go to low power, set A/O to 100, then adjust the focus ring (eyepiece) on a target at 100 yds until it is clear and sharp. Once there, it isnt a problem geting things clear and sharp at different power ranges and distance by using the A/O.
 
For about $430, my choice is the Vortex Viper 6.5-20:
http://swfa.com/Vortex-65-20x44-Viper-30mm-Rifle-Scope-P13285.aspx

Now, I hesitate to actually admit this, but I bought one of these on sale a year ago, because I couldn't believe a "cheap" BSA optic could get 4.5 out of 5 star reviews...
Eye relief is unforgiving at higher magnifications, but it has enough adjustment to get me to 1000 yards, clicks are solid and audible if a bit mushy, and tracks accurately. Clarity isn't even close to the Vortex, but I don't expect it for the price...On sale now, it gets the job done and I'd buy another if I wanted a budget, high power optic...

http://www.midwayusa.com/product/96...side-focus-glass-etched-mil-dot-reticle-matte
 
Laser Eye Surgery!!

It might put you down for a week of vacation, but it is SO worth it!!

Do one eye at a time, that way you can heal easier...not to mention be able to see to go to the latrine ;)
Heal up completely, then do the other...

The difference is literally like night & day!!
 
You guys can laugh all you like, but Midway sells a Simmons scope that they call the Whitetail Classic. It's a heck of a scope that sells for just a little over $100.00. We've got several of them in the family now and they've been holding up for over five years. We've got them mounted on 7mm Rem Mag, .308, .243, and .30-06. They're really a lot better than the price point suggests and if you're looking for a nice scope on a budget, take a look at the Whitetail Classic.
 
This has some of the best opinion/info I've been looking for as well for my old peepers. Thnx to all -- now I'm going back to re-read. JIMBO
 
Optics is one category of products in which quality generally corresponds very well with price. Try looking through a Nightforce scope. (Not that many of can afford several, or even one.)
 
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