Heston (NRA) makes anti-gun statement

BTR-

I believe that licensing and registration are desired primarily by those whose goal is to take away our guns.

I was speaking hypothetically, of course.

I wish we could all register and license and be done with the anti's. I know this will never happen.
 
I don't believe this.

Guys, even if he came out fully in favor of licensing in front of those cartoonists (NOT reporters as NationalCCW claimed!), how does that hurt us?

Seriously now: what the heck does it matter?

What matters is getting the right people in office, and punishing anti-gun politicians by showing them there's payback at the voting booth ahead. And one aspect of that is to get the average voter thinking we're NOT "extremists", and that the major-grade grabbers such as Chuckie, Dianne, Billary and Al ARE. It's true but we'll need to flat-out lie to the media on occasion to get ANY sort of message out.

Talk is talk. Action is action. Y'all say this is war? You're absolutely right - go look up "disinformation" and "propaganda", they're necessary, legitimate tools. Distasteful tools but tools nonetheless.

The same people who rip into the NRA at every opportunity gleefully point out insufficiencies on Bush's part. Attacking your allies, and they are BOTH your allies, is just dumb. The endless stream of attacks is preventing the NRA from sharing strategy details with the GOA, the JPFO and the various Internet forums like this one, at least on an official basis. So that increases the distrust, the misunderstandings, and we get this enormous split.

Have you guys ever heard the NRA attack the GOA, or JPFO, or anybody else publicly? No. Who does all the attacking? It ain't the NRA, they're smarter than that!

Think about what you're doing, guys. It ain't helping.

Jim
 
Jim: How does it matter? How does the NRA telling politicians that it's just peachy with them if the government prepares to confiscate our guns matter? How does the NRA giving "A" and "B" ratings to legislators who work for gun registration matter?

It matters any number of ways.

1. It makes things easier for the gun controlers, because here's one (more) gun control law the NRA says is ok.

2. It weakens the NRA, because it causes those members who learn of it to (rightfully) distrust the leadership.

3. It demonstrates that the (nominal) leader of the NRA isn't actually adverse to some forms of gun control, and at best hasn't thought things through.

That's a partial listing of how it matters.

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Sic semper tyrannis!
 
Brett, problem #1 is that you're claiming the NRA is telling the POLITICIANS this crap is OK. The NRA is the past and current master of the "back-room arm-twist"...much of what they say to politicians behind closed doors never gets made public, with good reason.

You're making a straw-man argument when you say:

>>How does the NRA telling politicians that it's just peachy with them if the government prepares to confiscate our guns matter?<<

This wasn't about a speech to politicians, it was a speech to CARTOONISTS. Got that? Get those damned cartoonists off our collective backs, and we're a jump ahead come November when it ain't just talk, it's ACTION.

Now, what the NRA isn't so good at is using "mass efforts" across the Internet to spread the word on nasty new bills, etc. They're getting better, but the GOA is still worlds ahead. But the GOA doesn't have the "back-room access" that the NRA's nearly four million members and huge pockets give them. The GOA has at times completely alienated "fence-sitter" politicians that can be educated, gently worked with versus a "VOTE FREEDOM OR WE THROW YOUR BUTT OUT" approach.

If the NRA could give inside info and tactical data to the GOA, let them "harness the Internet" the way they're so good at, we'd have the best of both worlds prior to critical events, wouldn't we?

But the NRA can't give out that info, for fear the GOA will twist it around and start screaming "TRAITOR" - again.

And y'all think the NRA is the problem children here?

Gimme a break.

Jim
 
Guys'
I'm sorry if I'm redirecting this again but can someone find a source for this story other then the National CCW.

I learned something long ago from studying the Bible. You don't interpret a verse until you've read the whole text.

In this National CCW story I only see a verse. On top of that it's unsupported with no refferance.

I watched the speach that Heston gave to all the cartoonist on the NRA live (real audio)site. He was very well spoken, dispelling many false statements made by the media while still maintaining a friendly atmosphere that allowed their liberal minds to be educated rather then slammed with "from my cold dead hands" statements.

We are very critical when it comes to statements from the general media but when when one of are own say's something we take it as gospel.
Use the same measuring tool for all news so that this way you will never have to retract your actions.

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[This message has been edited by leedesert (edited July 02, 2000).]
 
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Jim March:
What matters is getting the right people in office, and punishing anti-gun politicians by showing them there's payback at the voting booth ahead.[/quote]
That would be great, if the NRA actually made anti-gun politicians "pay". But we all know too well that this isn't the case, don't we?
 
I have heard Heston say twice that there are twelve amendments to the aBill of Rights. I have also heard him state that machine guns are illegal to own or possess. I guess he hasn't heard of class 3 licenses.

There was also the transcript of two radio talk shows he was a guest on wherein he stated that "assault weapons" are not fit for the common citizen to own.

I don't have a whole lot of use for this guy but I'll not cancel any membership to the organization if for no other reason than to be a number.

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Here's one source: http://www2.startribune.com/stOnLine/cgi-bin/article?thisStory=81987304

Commenting on the above link was Mark E. Slagle on the CA-Firearms mailing list:

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The caption on the audio button is wishful thinking (if you're feeling charitable) on the part of the editors of the Star-Trib.
In the audio clip, Heston does NOT say that the NRA will support licensing, he only says that we "may arrive" at licensing and registration. I would interpret that as consistent with the position that we may get them despite the NRA, but it is admittedly somewhat ambiguous. As usual, Heston does
a poor job of communicating the rationale against new gun laws, in this case registration. The questioning reporter may
well be "glad" to live in a police state where citizens only own guns at the pleasure of the commisariat, but I maintain some
disagreement. Heston could have made that point, along with noting that registration is of virtually zero value for any legitimate
governmental purpose, is very expensive, and is invariably a pretext for collecting lists for future confiscation, as has proved
the case here in California. I wish Heston were able to make at least some kind of case, instead of waffling about inevitabilities.

So a boo to Heston and the NRA, but a much more subdued one than would be implied by their explicit support for registration
and licensing.

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The exchange may infuriate some, but remember that the audio cuts off once the media gets something they "like". There's no way of knowing what else Heston said; it could very well be that Heston went on to explain what was WRONG with "where we're headed".

Lies by omission is the media's favorite game. Let's say there's a power plant leaking nasty crap into a nearby forest. If I take a camera and shoot a pic with a section of healthy forest in front of the plant, well, I can make things look all hunky dory because I've excluded the section that looks like Chernobyl on a bad day.

Professional politicians know this crap happens, and that you can't base national policy on the basis of carefully trimmed soundbites. The NRA understands this, and works away from the limelite, in face-to-face confrontations that can't be twisted by an enemy media. Amateurs like "NationalCCW" sieze on a subset of an already biased, screwed-up report as an eagerly awaited opportunity to shaft the NRA out of some insane agenda.

Again I ask: HOW DOES THIS HELP!?

Jim
 
Jim Peel: In Heston's defense, there originally WERE 12 amendments in the Bill of Rights; Only 10 of them got ratified back then, and one, requiring an election to intervene before a Congressional pay raise can take effect, was ratified a few years ago. The last one has to do with setting the number of members of the House.

My personal assessment of Heston is that he's got a great speaking voice, fantastic stage presence, and can remember the lines he's fed. As a figure-head for LaPierre, he can't be beat, and that's all he is: LaPierre's hand puppet. One doesn't expect hand puppets to be effective debaters.

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NationalCCW:

Charlton Heston is MY PRESIDENT. He may not always speak as quickly and effectively as Slick Willie, but at least he's honest.

To attempt to paint what Heston said as being in FAVOR of registration is an insult to my intelligence. He merely stated that it 'may' come to it.

I would rather the gun owning community join together and work together than sit at their PCs and rant, rave, and whine about the NRA. I noticed that you posted this exact same quote last week on another board. Please channel your efforts in a positive manner geared towards national CCW reform instead of mindless NRA bashing.


<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by NationalCCW:
It appears the great actor opened his mouth a little to far. Action may be needed to prevent the NRA or its president from considering gun licenses or registration. [/quote]



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I'm agreeing with Jim on this one. You don't squabble in front of the nieghbors. It really looks though their ACTIONS that GOA is more interested in taking over the NRA political presense in Washington than actually getting anything done. Washington doesn't work like that. If you threaten me, I'll make you look like a Militant Right Wing Gun Nut on the 5 o'clock news. Remember the Armor-piercing Ammo debate? NRA got it's @ss-kicked back then. The Elitists know this and are always trying to find a way to do that again.

We need to mend the rifts in the Pro-Gun side, We need to unite with our Natural Allies. We need to let the People know that "It's Civil Rights, Stupid!"

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To those who can't read, I did say it appears Heston made a harmless slip up. I am a big supporter of Mr.Heston and he is my president too. However, he did say what I quoted he said and there is nothing wrong in reminding the NRA that gun owners do not wish any licensing or registration.
Would Neal Knox ever of made such a statement? Hell no! But Knox is 110% pro-gun. I accept Mr. Heston as my president and am glad we have him for the 2000 elections. My site has often given praise to the NRA and it is unfair to say I am attacking them (what was said, was said). As for my reporting,everything I have said has been proven by other news sources sooner or later. Those who faithfully visit my site will remember I reported the "Smith & Wesson sell out" agreement 2 days before it was made public. I can see this post already has a link to another source supporting my claims about Mr.Heston with an audio clip. News is news and it will be reported. Later.

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Brett,

I'm well aware of the two unratified amendments. This guy stated this on Politically Incorrect and was corrected by Bill Maher of all people. I heard this myself and was in full "HUH??" mode.

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