Here's why we're going to lose AR pistol braces

[Metal god]

I look at this another way. Advertising and using guns in this way underscores how silly it is to restrict SBR's in the 1st place. Instead of losing pistol braces we may see restrictions lifted on owning a SBR.

LMAO , yeah that’s what we should expect in the current political Environment and how the Congress and presidency are divided up LOL

 

[44 AMP]

Thank you for the information that they are selling a stock and calling it a brace. I was unaware of that, being a simple man who doesn't understand how if it looks like a stock and you put it on your shoulder, its not a stock....

 

[ghbucky]

ghbucky that is what i meant.....

Apologies. On a re-read I see you were making the same point.

 

[heyjoe]

Tunnel Rat now that you expounded on your original post, i better understand what you are saying and I agree with you,

 

[Double Naught Spy]

I was unaware of that, being a simple man who doesn't understand how if it looks like a stock and you put it on your shoulder, its not a stock....

The ATF specifically addressed this.
https://thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=586262&highlight=atf+arm+brace+letter

The cinching strap is sort of the give-away that it is a brace in this case. There were/are other versions such as the Shockwave Blade that don't have such a strap and might be harder to discern as a brace, but were marketed as such without any problems that I recall.

You could always shoulder the arm braces, physically, but until 2017 the ATF didn't cotton to the idea.

 

[Aguila Blanca]

The ATF specifically addressed this.
https://thefiringline.com/forums/sho...m+brace+letter

Yes, they did. From your link:

However, there is a note of caution with this happy tale. It is still possible to construct a short barreled rifle from a brace equipped pistol. The letter explains “…an item that functions as a stock if attached to a handgun in a manner that serves the objective purpose of allowing a firearm to be fired from the shoulder may result in ‘making’ a short-barreled rifle, even if the attachment is not permanent.”

As you may remember, I’ve contended that if you purchased a brace with the intent to build a gun that would be fired from the shoulder, if the barrel length is less than 16 inches or the overall length is less than 26 inches, you’ve just created a short barreled rifle. Why is that?

The NFA defines the term firearm to mean among other things “…(3) a rifle having a barrel or barrels of less than 16 inches in length; (4) a weapon made from a rifle if such weapon as modified has an overall length of less than 26 inches or a barrel or barrels of less than 16 inches in length;…”

The term rifle is defined as “a weapon designed or redesigned, made or remade, and intended to be fired from the shoulder and designed or redesigned and made or remade to use the energy of the explosive in a fixed cartridge to fire only a single projectile through a rifled bore for each single pull of the trigger, and shall include any such weapon which may be readily restored to fire a fixed cartridge.”

Key point being that it is intended to be fired from the shoulder. As such, you would have a firearm (Short Barrel Rifle) under the NFA which would be subject to its controls.

IWI has three firearms in the Zion line. One is a rifle, one is a short-barreled rifle (by their web site designation), and the third is this "pistol." The ONLY difference between the SBR and the "pistol" is the substitution of the SBA3 brace for the conventional, telescoping butt stock.

So then they show a photo of the thing being fired from the shoulder, using two hands in a hold that is distinctly the way people hold rifles, not the way they hold pistols. So they are advertising the fact that this [alleged] "pistol" is intended to be fired from the shoulder.

==> SBR