Here they are: Beretta 92FS and Glock 17 torture tests

The 92 selection is indicative of the moronic and often corrupt decsions made by politicians. That locking block failure is fine for a magazinbe article but it could mean an American life in the field of duty. Typical-----------------just typical of Washington.
 
Hey Willbear...

Did you read the entire 92FS article? Sounds like you didn't, so I'll take the liberty of including the last paragraph :D

"There is no question in my mind that the pistol is serviceable to 35,000 rounds, in fact I
would not be surprised to see it last 50,000 rounds. The Beretta M9/92FS is
in my opinion one of the most reliable firearms ever produced and this test proved it!
This is a very revealing test to the quality of the M9/92FS, it is no surprise why the most powerful military in the world carry the Beretta 92FS as their official sidearm."
 
I did read it but I couldn't get past the block breaking just after the 19,000 round mark. Do a search and you will find from those who carry the 92 series that they often fail way before 20K rounds.

Additionally, my experience has revealed that the block comes out easy but can be cumbersome upon re-assembly expecially if one is in a stressful situation.
 
Actually

I've done a fair amount of research on the block thing. It seems that the locking block problem is old news. There may have been a problem with them up around 20,000+ rounds but I don't think that's been a problem for a number of years now.

Of course, I could certainly be wrong, but research has indicated this to be the case.
 
I am a BIG fan of Beretta Shotguns and the 92FS is indeed one of the most accurate, easy to shoot 9mm's out there but I can never get past the locking block--------------fooling with it during take-down and re-assembly when there are so many other options out there like Glocks and Sigs.
 
Hey WILL BEARARMS,
you used to be the real die-hard Beretta fan. What did happen to you? You bought that compact Glock in .40 *&* or something else? :D I remember some of your posts on Beretta forum. Here is one of them: :)
 

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I have had pistols like Clinton has had girlfriends. I still like the Beretta and I think the barrels are among the finest if not the finest in the world. I do wish they would get around that lockinmg block and I predict they will after the 9000 series has been perfected.

I admire Beretta for being the oldest Family-owned company in the world ---------- since 1526. My duck gun is a Beretta AL 390 Silver Mallard 12 gauge 3" with 24" barrel in Advantage camo.

I like the shootability of the M9 but again, I hope they lose the locking block down the road.

As to the Glock, I have sworn off the .40 Cal in favor of 9mm's or .45's. The main reason, is I can afford to practice much more with the 9mm and I do think there is something to the KB issue with Glocks larger than 9mm-------------------------there's too much evidence to indicate otherwise.
 
Well, it seems to me that avoiding +P+ ammo, replacing certain parts regularly, and otherwise keeping an eye on it would prevent anything so horrendus as a block failure from happening in combat, because it is unlikely that anyone will expend 19,000 rounds in a single combat situation.
 
Surely someone has observed that the Glock Torture Test article that Irfan linked is woefully out of date.

Taylor's Torture Test is now well past 170,000 rounds, as has been reported in several of the gunzines.
 
"When we fired for qualification, to my
surprise there was only a handful of troops that did not qualify on the first
try. In fact it was probably safe to say that around 25% of the people
qualified as expert. The M1911A1 was different, only about half of the
company qualified on the first try and only a handful qualified expert."

A testament to the great marsmanship of our troops. So thats why we need a 9mm. I don't think what the author is saying is anything to be proud of.
 
As a P.O. Weapons Training instructor, I put 23,000 rounds +/- a few, through my issued Beretta 92FS, before turning it in when I retired. These were Federal ball, Federal H.P., Win. Silvertips, Win. subsonic, and Win. SXT LEO Only, plus some FBI issued Speer and Remington H.P.s. The locking block was just fine. I know other instructors did the same, and more, without a failure of weapon.

I also know a (now retired) armorer for a very large p.o. dept. who, over a period of years, put 70,000 rounds of factory ball and H.P. through a Beretta 92FS, without any malfunctions or locking block breakage. He was testing this pistol, and never cleaned it, other than to keep it lubricated.

I asked him about the locking blocks. Out of 10,000 pistols for the dept., there had been two locking block failures, in nine years.

Perhaps we just got lucky but I wouldn't hesitate to bet my life on a Beretta 92FS... and did for nine years.

(Besides, Glocks are so ugly, if they were a human being, they'd have to slip up on a glass of water just to get a drink!) Happy New Year to all!

FWIW. J.B.
 
Beretta did change the shape of the locking block a number of years ago to eliminate/or reduce cracking.

Why would you ever need to remove the locking block for routine cleaning and lubing?
 
Sorry to get off topic a bit, but I find it most agrivating when folks assume you cant have good bullet placement with a big bullet. Just plain annoying.
 
I have sent maybe 30k rounds thru my 92fs give or take and never once had any type of problem. I clean after each use and keep well oiled. It has proven to be very accurate and am not a great shot. The only minor problem is I have put wood grips on it and after say 200-300 rounds they become lose a bit. Great gun.
 
I own both the M1911 .45ACP and 92FS in 9mm. I have problems with some statements in the article.
The military also wanted a pistol that could be carried safely loaded with the hammer down. If one wanted to carry the M1911A1 loaded they would normally carry the pistol ,"cocked and locked," meaning a round in the chamber with the hammer cocked and the safety engaged. This condition is not considered safe by many gun experts.
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WRONG!!!! Many gun experts including Jeff Cooper and Massad Ayoob have shown and argued that this is indeed a safe way to carry. We only have idiots that don't know how to handle it correctly.
If you have a 9mm, you are more likely to hit your target with a well-placed shot than with a larger caliber that is harder to shoot due to a heavier sharp recoil.
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ROTFL!!!! What a bunch of horse manure! A .45ACP is not a round that makes it harder to shoot accurately. I taught a girlfriend of mine who never shot a pistol ever on the .45 as her first round. Within a few hours she was doing well enough to put some cops I know to shame. People should learn to shoot before they blame the gun or the round. This guy must be a pansy idiot!
Personally, my feeling is that the US made a huge mistake to convert to the 9mm. The M1911 stood up to the most important and the only qualifying test in my mind. That is the test of time. The 10mm and .40 was a direct result of various agencies which found the 9mm lacking. This is why the FBI HRT and certain Special Forces units use only the .45 ACP today!


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