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[72-cj5]

Hi all my grandpa decided to move to a different state and gave me some guns I was hoping you guys could help identify them you can see the photos here. http://s1378.photobucket.com/user/72cj5/library/Mobile Uploads?sort=3&page=1 Hopefully that works

 

[Jim Watson]

CZ 27 made after Germany took control of the Czech arms industry in WWII. A good sound .32.
http://world.guns.ru/handguns/hg/chex/cz-27-p27-t-e.html

Mannlicher Berthier; French WWII military, caliber 8mm Lebel which is hard to obtain. I can't tell if it is a carbine or a cut down rifle.
http://milpas.cc/rifles/ZFiles/French Rifles/The French Berthier Rifle/The French Berthier Rifle.htm

Hammer double barrel shotgun, CORRECTED Urko brand from Spain.
No good www description that I can find.

Astra P300, Spanish gun used a lot by WWII Germany. Another good .32 or maybe a .380.
http://ai4fr.com/main/page_militaria__collectibles_spain_astra_300.html

Austro-Hungarian Roth Steyr Model 1907. Early gun in the development of autopistols, semi-cocked action ancestor of Glock. Proprietary 8mm caliber, ammo not readily available.
http://world.guns.ru/handguns/hg/at/self-loading-pistol-roth-steyr-m1907-e.html
http://www.forgottenweapons.com/early-automatic-pistols/roth-steyr-1907/

Japanese Nambu, WWII era. Its own 8mm caliber, ammo somewhat available.
Lots of variations shown at
http://members.shaw.ca/tju/t14gallery.htm
decode markings
http://members.shaw.ca/nambuworld2/t14markings.htm

 

[72-cj5]

here's some of the riffle

 

[72-cj5]

Some of the dou me barrel

 

[72-cj5]

some of the one that I think you called a nambu

 

[72-cj5]

I'm not sure what you called this one

 

[72-cj5]

. The one that says budapest

 

[72-cj5]

then here's the fnh

 

[72-cj5]

Ok so now my question is do any of you know how to date these and maybe a ballpark value I only ask for my own knowledge this are not for sale and will not be for sale just wanted to make that clear and also what of them can I fire I've looked them over pretty well and see no cracks or things that make me think I can't shoot them also when telling me what each one is exactly can you find a way to show me what one each time cause I'm not that good at figuring this stuff out thank you

 

[72-cj5]

What does these tips mean my Grandpa thought the guy said armor piercing

 

[72-cj5]

Also are these the right rounds for the rifle?

 

[Jim Watson]

Yes, black tipped US .30-06 bullets are armor piercing.

The cartridges headstamped .348 may be reformed to 8mm Lebel and correct for the Mannlicher Berthier.

Look at the order you posted the first set of pictures on the hosting site. That is the order I described them in.

Confusing, though; are there one or two double barreled shotguns? I thought two at first.

 

[72-cj5]

There is just 1 I tryed to get some pics of the stampings so you could see it also the 348 case fits nice into the bolt part of the rifle but I don't know about the rest case I don't wanna get a round stuck

 

[peggysue]

Nice guns...hold on to them. And by god wipe them down with oil.

 

[Jim Watson]

I went back and added some links so you can read background information.

 

[72-cj5]

One more thing the astra is labeled 9 m/m on the barrel see pic does that mean it's a 9mm or am I wrong?

 

[johnm1]

9mm Kurz is the European nomenclature for 9mm short also known as 380 ACP.

 

[72-cj5]

Ok so in my research I'm thinking I have a 41 or 42 by the serial number being 582888 and am I correct with that being something to do with Nazi I read the stamp above the serial number is a Nazi sign

 

[72-cj5]

Ok just went back a read all the info you posted so far I know I'm missing the clip for the rifle and the German 380 is from 1943

 

[Jim Watson]

Germany did not use many .380s, I do not see a German acceptance mark on the Astra... but then I don't see the serial number, either.