Help Take Down the '34 National Firearms Act

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A quick point, this is not a democratic republic, but a representative republic, although we have been run as a democracy[ mob rule] for many years, even unto the civil war when Lincoln got a number of anti constitutional laws passed in the mob[ democratic] hysterical mood of the times.
Most people do not give a s--- about the constitution so long as they are fed and clothed and do not have to think.
Don :rolleyes:
 
jef, I would agree with you. If a person isn't going to go on a shooting rampage, they won't even if they own a warehouse of AK-47's, grenade launchers and ammo, and M249's. But the bigger question here is, how much would that 155mm ammo cost and is it reloadable? My dad used to shoot one in the Army but I forget what it fires.
And besides, look back at the Hollywood shootout with those bank robbers. They had full auto AK's(illegal ones) and shot up the area but didn't actually kill anyone. Full auto, I guess, isn't as dangerous as some think. Also accuracy will suffer significantly. There's a reason the military dropped the full auto mode on M16's. And besides it's been shown that people who go on sprees have illegally acquired full autos. And besides, a semi-auto or full auto or whatever against a group of mostly unarmed people? Does the fire rate even matter when no one's shooting back? And if nothing else why not just build a couple pipe bombs?
And I think the 10 rd mag limit may have developed from the grabbers looking at common military mags and picking an even number that's a good deal lower than that. Common M16 mag = 30 rounds. Beretta 92 mag = 15 rds. Obviously, if the military has 15 round mags for a handgun that's far more firepower than a citizen should have. 'Cuz, you know, all that military weapon stuff is so much more superer deadlier than civilian guns cuz it's from the army. :barf:
 
105mms, as I recall, are the largest peices that use cased ammunition. And even that is seperated.

155s and 203s are loaded with seperated ammunition. The shell is loaded, and then the powder in bags. Close it up, fire, repeat. I'm not sure if variation of the charge is done, or how much the ammo costs.
 
Read, Unintended Consequences by John Ross (Accurate Press). You'll know why the 1934 National Firearms Act (NFA) should be repealed.
 
Drinks you're right but...

how about we turn this into a Constitutional Republic and follow what the founding fathers wrote in paper all those years ago ;) But we do have to pick and choose the battles. The Idea with the most promise so far(IMHO) has to be the repeal the '86 ban or atleast the portions on new MG registration :cool: Looking back, that seems to be the only logical place to start. Does anyone here know anything of the federal case against Steward(sp?t) that is supposed to be in the ninth ciurcut court. I believe it is before the Supreme Court who, has to decide whether or not to hear the case. My idea(building on newly gained insight) is this... What about opening up a non-transferable MG registry for collectors/hobbyists? The gun would be," contraband " in any other persons care without the registered owner. I believe this would follow the "letter" of the law the way it is written and also not violate the" spirit"of the law. If the '34 and '86 NFA and GOP were intended to stop criminal abuse of these weapons not everyone from owning(which is shown by the fact that civies still have MG....just not average joe ) Then my proposed idea does not interfere with the "interstate commerce" of the grandfathered MG because it cannot be sold to anyone!!!!!!!!!! :D It would seem the perfect fix to this situation. Upon death, moving to nonMG state, or just for the hell of it the gun could be turned over to the police or BATF for destruction/stock-piling or whatever they do with them. For now keep the tax to keep everyone from converting any and everything that goes bang :eek: and possibly use the tax from this new class of MG(Registered Non-Transferable-Civilian-Sample) and use the money to help control or police our borders with national guard or give to the border states as a stipend for state guard to do it :cool:Onec everyone sees the world not come to a screaching hault (assault weapons ban and y2k come to mind) we find our next battle.Btw come up with a much cooler name/acronym for the new class of civie/MG :p
 
I think that the easiest thing to do will be to repeal the '86 MG ban, and to then work on the '34 NFA. After all, prior to '86 anyone in an NFA state could legally go through the process and buy a brand new MG. It has been 19 years, and the only effect of the law was to enrich a few dealers and collectors. There are still something like 200,000 MGs out there (as opposed to approx. 100,000 only a few months before the ban), and none have been "taken off the street" because of it. Anyone getting a MG still must go through the background check, etc., and the rate of crimes with these guns is virtually nil (literally - isn't the only recorded incident of a crime being committed with a legal MG since 1934 one where a police officer committed the crime?).

I have the perfect name for the legislation that will get the ban repealed: The Machinegun Registration and Tax Act of 2005. We can pass it off as a means of registering MGs and bringing in more money to the fed.gov - what self-respecting lieberal or RINO can be against those things?

As to SBRs and SBSs, isn't that only a $5 tax? Not that I like the principal at all, but I'm much less ticked off about something that isn't banned and which is cheap to get if I'm so inclined, vs. the total ban on new MGs (with the resulting rise in prices of those few on the market). I'd really like a Tommy Gun, it looks cool and has a history, but I ain't paying many, many thousands of bucks for one. Ditto for many other guns - they've been made all but unobtainable for most people...which was exactly the point of the MG ban. Let's get THAT reversed.

Anyhow, in keeping with the subject of the thread, after 10 years or so of having new MGs registered and taxed there will probably be 500,000 to 1 million on the books. We can then go and say "See, there have been no crimes committed by those owning legal MGs. The criminals have disregarded the law and still commit crimes with illegally obtained guns, so getting rid of the taxation and registration will have no effect on crime."
 
too many choices!?

I disagree with your idea about collector's licenses, simply because your property becomes forfeit when you die. My property is mine, to do with as I please - and particularly after I've already paid taxes on the earning needed to buy the property in the first place. Why can't my kids or grandkids get my MGs, and pass it down to their kids, etc.? We can do this with all other guns and all other property. Its bad enough that we've got an Estate Tax, but to add a 100% rate for machine guns is absurd.
 
Sam Adams

Actually it is still a 200dollar tax on making or transfering a sbr or a sbs or a machinegun. An aow only has a 200dollar making tax and a 5 dollar transfer tax. :confused: Yes I know we should be able to transfer our property to whomever we want, but the government doesn't even recognize the Constitutional claim we have against the '34 nfa so we must start somewhere. If the non transferable civillian sample idea could be made viable after afew years it would be easy to simply "open" the registry to allow trading or selling or whatever. The main issue is to get the government to recognize my base premise behind this thread: a gun is a gun is a gun. If a car goes from zero to sixty faster than other cars it is not banned from the public. just as some guns go from full to empty faster than others it still does not change the fact that it is a gun. Not until explosive ordinance is used in a firearm does it become not a firearm. It then becomes an explosive device. Which could and should be regulated. As I have stated above since they(gov) won't recognize our 2nd Amm. rights we need to act from inside the system. The non transferable idea will not violate the letter of the law(to keep bad guys from obtaining these items) and the spirit of the law(whitch obviously never intended to ban anything or there would be no machineguns in civilian hands anywhere ;) ). How the atf interprets the law is that there can be no new transferable machineguns produced for public consumption. Atleast this is my understanding. My idea should (legally) even satisfy their requirements of no "new transferables" to civilians. Sam you have given the type of imfo i was looking for so please keep it coming. I especiallly like your quotes why don't the congress critters know this!? :eek: If anyone has any ideas about how to organize a special interest group about this I would be more than happy to do whatever I could. The firearms community should be the largest lobbying group in this country, lets make that happen.

PS Take a friend shooting and disscuss the Second. Homework for those that truly care about this issue. Maybe someone with some passion for this and that is a better writer than me(psyco sword? you just seemed to fit :D just a suggestion I know I don't know u yet)could write out something we could post at local guns shops or pass out to people. If I was a better writer I would do it myself (don't think I won't still be trying though ;) ) '86 out the door!
 
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