Help please, shots keep stringing to the left.

You're pushing the rifle to the left as you pull the trigger. You may have too much finger over the trigger. Try and concentrate on getting straight pressure on the trigger, with no side to side pressure.

Now that I see the new targets, it's more obvious, you're pushing the rifle left with your trigger pull.
 
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Hmm, any suggestions on how to fix that? I normally am releasing the trigger with the tip of my finger and not at the joint. I noticed I'd tighten my grip sometimes when pulling the trigger inadvertently. Furthermore, I'm not instantly letting the trigger go after each shot, I let the trigger "click" and try again normally.

I also had a lot of people firing relatively large caliber cartridges all around me, a whole bunch of .308's and one guy had a .50BMG. Not sure if that may have played a factor.
 
Pick a grip and stick with it consistently, assuming you are right handed, make sure that your rear grip (right hand) is allowing the rifle to recoil directly into your shoulder and that you aren't forcing it one way or the other. Meaning firm, but not death grip, and don't twist your wrist over the top of the stock, because that pushes one way or the other.

The tip of your finger is right, practice and be sure you are coming straight back and not pushing to one side or the other.
 
Ohhh, is this an AR-15 type rifle you're shooting?

If so, and you are right handed, try lining up your right wrist so that the recoil comes straight back into your wrist, not at an angle.
 
Thanks, I'll try this again this coming up weekend and see how I do. I'll probably look into getting some better ear protection as well, makes it easier to practice when you don't really hear WWIII going on all around you.
 
Kimio - grouping is looking better. Looks like your windage correction is one and half rotation to the right. It seems like a lot of sdjustment but that could be where it is. You mentioned that you changed your aim to the top of the diamond for targets 3 and 4. I would suggest holding at center and adjust for elevation with your front sight post.

This is the fun part of shooting. ;)
 
Thanks guys, I'm going to see if I can't get some video of what I look like while shooting, that might shed some light on what's going on.

I'm also looking into to see if it might be an ammunition issue as well, Wolf certainly isn't the greatest ammunition out there.

Might anyone have some suggestions of what would be a good brand to try while still keeping it reasonably priced? I got 20 rounds of PMC Bronze 55gr sitting around somewhere, would this be a good place to start? I think I may be able to pick a few more boxes up at a local store.
 
I may have missed it in the thread, but what are you shooting?

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Yeah, I generally don't take my eyes away from the irons and try to keep my sights on target.
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Somebody else may have said this, and if so I'll stress it again. You should be focused on the front sight, not the target. If you can see the bullet holes in the target while you are aiming You're looking in the wrong place.

The target you are using is better for scoped rifles than open sights. Try a 3" diameter black dot on a sheet of white paper. Use a 6 o'clock hold. That is, have the dot (fuzzy) sitting on top of the front sight. I think the 6 o'clock hold is best for this because it's hard to place a black sight post in the middle of a black circle with accuracy. It’s much easier to perch the "pumpkin on the post".
 
I am using a Stag Arms model 4 M16 style rifle with a 1/9 twist barrel and Wolf Performance Ammunition 55gr at 25 yards.

I focus my vision on the front post and usually center my target with the tip of the front post. I always make sure that the front iron is clear and that is where I focus my vision when aiming at a target.

I'm currently running some copper cleaner down the bore, and hopefully this will help, I'm also going to try some different ammo and have several of my friends try out my rifle and see if they have the same problem.
 
One of the best training aids in handgun shooting and a big help in rifle shooting is to have someone randomly load a gun with snap-caps. One or two in a magazine or revolver cylinder will instantly show you what you're doing wrong, if anything.

If you don't flinch or change position at the non-fire, you may notice a marked improvement in POI or grouping on that target, due to higher concentration levels, brought on by anticipating the "test".

JP
 
Update, went to the range with several friends, and also got some video of each of us shooting my rifle. The one video of me (I'm the one in black) I unfortunately was not able to shoot at the target (was waiting to check what my grouping looked like) so I was shooting out to 200 yards at some steel plates. The purpose of the video was to show how I shoot.

Here are the targets. Red is my friend Chris (Caucasian) Pink is his girlfriend, and Me as the turqoise. All shots were made from the bench, supported by sandbags, at 25 yards. No adjustments for windage were made. It was very consistent from what you can tell, so I'm not sure what to make of this anymore.

I was shooting PMC Bronze .223 55gr ammunition at this target, while my friend was shooting Wolf Military Classic .223 55gr ammunition
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My friend Chris used the same PMC Bronze .223 55gr ammunition as I did on the first shot
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My friends girlfriend, fairly rapid shot using Wolf 55gr .223
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Finally, I used my Mosin Nagant 91/30 using military surplus 147gr 7.62x54R ammunition. I think the two weird fliers are due to fatigue at this point.
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Here are some videos of us shooting.

Chris: Wolf 55gr .223
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KxxOxkk4N6s

Chris: PMC Bronze 55gr .223
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f2HkNPHJqkM

Cat: Wolf 55gr .223
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SKpun1LQ1tI

Me: Wolf 55gr .223 (200yrd Steel Plates)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o95Upcsl5tg
 
Make the adjustment, 2" up (front sight, turn clockwise 5 clicks and maybe a 6th if necessary) and 2" right (rear sight, windage turn clockwise 16 clicks).

Then shoot again. If you're not hitting bullseye, then adjust again.

Sight picture should be like this.

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I also noticed that you are way back on the stock. Get closer to the sight. My nose almost touches the charging handle when I shoot.

Watch this video and pay close attention to how the shooters are positioned.

http://www.shootingillustrated.com/...-marksmanship-unit-squad-designated-marksman/

And as a last thing, shooting irons at a longer distance does not equal to a tight grouping in shorter distance. If you have a 8" iron target at 200 yards and hit it 10 out of 10 times, what that means is you are shooting about 4+ MOA (the + is because it's about 11" from one corner diagonal to the other corner). However, having a tight grouping at closer distance can mean hitting irons at longer distances.

One other thing I just remembered, use the smaller aperture for sighting in.

Looking forward to your next update.

As always, safe shooting.
 

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Hmm, I've been using the smaller peep sight while shooting at the 25yrd point. So I should use the more open sights? I think part of the reason I have not used the more open sights is because i wasn't quite sure where to set the irons (I sit so far back because the sight picture allows me to have the bunny ears touching the sides and the base of the post to be close to flat with the bottom of the ring.)

I'll try practicing at home and try to get adjusted with aiming with the more open rear aperture and having my face closer. It just feels a little awkward for some reason.
 
Keep your head upright and put the tip of your nose on the charging handle and keep it there!

You do that so your sight picture is repeatable. If you don't, your head/eye is all over the place and your shots will also be all over the place.

If your stock is too long to put your nose on the CH, get an A1 stock or a collapsible stock.
 
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