Help picking out a CCW

But if you wanna get TECHNICAL..... ;)
Rusty, I didn't comment on the Mauser because I don't know anything about 'em... but thanx.

Glocks are assembled right up the road from me in Smyrna, GA.
I *think* Sigs are assembled in Exeter (sp?)

Ben

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Haven't decided yet? I did order the g33 but just to have another option. I still think Keltec p11. No need for a stinkin holster, just buy the clip and voila. I'm small and don't have a lot of blubber to hide the holster under a t shirt. besides that, the keltec is much lighter than the Glock and I can clip it to my sweats without it saggin. Besides that KT is local where you are going. and another thing, if it starts to rust, just sand it off and reblue it with cold blue. you won't feel bad since you'll be able to pick one up for under $250...let's see if anyone out there can get a good beater for under $250...Get the Glock too, everyone, evn a sig owner's gotta have one.
 
Not all SIG Sauers are assembled in Exeter. Some are fully German made and assembled. These are easy to spot as they bear German proof marks on the slide's dust cover.

SIG Sauers have fully supported chambers.

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So many pistols, so little money.
 
Of those you've listed, I'd go for the Glock or SiG. You yourself mentioned the warm weather most of the year. Do you want a pistol to carry sometimes and keep in the car rest of the time, or are you seeking an ALWAYS piece?

If the latter, RCS's comments re: polymer Kahr are right on point. KelTeKee's about the P-11 same. If you still want to get the big, bad, black Teutonic pistol, by all means do so, but I fear that as soon as the "New" wears off your PPP (Pistol Packin' Permit,) you'll be looking for something a lot smaller and lighter.

The alloy frame, snub .38s are good, too. Remember, when the flag flies, the little five-shot .38, a light .380 or even .32 you have WITH you is far superior to the .50 AE Desert Eagle left in the car.

With all due respect, MR, I sincerely suggest you get something small and light to carry constantly and then add-on a big gun, for special occasions.

Whatever your choice, best wishes--
JPG

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Rocky Road,

Which of those listed is a "big gun"?

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Ben Lee
Student, Senior
Computer Science
Mississippi State University
Fear the man that owns only one rifle,
he likely knows how to use it.
- Anonymous
 
I've had my Louisiana CCW permit for nearly three years and I know what you mean about hot. Also, I've lived several years in San Salvador, El Salvador where it is never cold. Pretty much the same climate problem. The one gun that has been my best choice for comfort is the G26.

I'm not a Glock lover and pretty much don't like the things. However, it sure beats lugging around a P220 all day long. If you've never carried concealed before put your favorite handgun in your waistband one evening and just walk around the house for a while. It's amazing how fast that "little gun" can begin to weigh. Comfort is definitely an issue. And remember the point of CCW is "concealed".

Also, I'm not big so there is no where to hide the thing. And the G26 is one of the best fitting Glocks that I've owned or shot. Just sold my G19 with 3 hi-caps and night sights.

One thing you might want to consider on the "other state" CCW is the following. Louisiana passed a law recently stating that you had to be a Resident of the state to get CCW. And "Resident" is now defined as someone who spends 51% of the year physically residing in the state. My job keeps me out most of the year so I'm still trying to find out if it will grandfather on me or not. Sure hope I don't lose my CCW.

My CCW is one of the older ones so that they don't even run any sort of check at all on me in LA. The newer ones still have to get the instant check.

Best of luck.

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The best weapon for self defense is the one you have when the need arises!
 
MR--
of the pistols you mention,

1) HK .357C
(2) G33
(3) SIG P229 in .357 SIG
(4) Steyr S357
(5) Mauser M2,

I am personally ignorant of the Steyr and Mauser. I am going on information from others, shooters whose opinions I respect. They are both familiar with Kel Tec, Kahr and the Colt .380s, so when they say big, we share a frame of reference.

The HK and SiG are about Commander size-- shorter and lighter than regular service pistol, but with similar size frame. You have to go to the SiG 239 to get noticibly smaller in that marque. I admire the workmanship and accuracy, but it doesn't "feel" right to me. Short handle is okay--I learned to shoot with little finger tucked beneath butt of DA revolvers,and it acually improves my control. But my perception is that the bore axis sets quite high. As I say, it is a "feel," and is therefore almost entirely subjective.

The G33 is noticibly smaller but is still quite thick in both butt and slide.

Two repliers mention the Beretta Cougar, and I consider it to be a large gun for CC piece. Essentially Commander size but a lot thicker, in both upper and lower.

Please don't misunderstand--I'd rather see most concealed carriers packing medium-size, medium weight weapons. It makes for GREATLY increased controlability and accuracy. I have paid dearly in range time and ammo to attain proficiency with lightweight, small-dimensioned firearms of fairly adequate power.

Cops can be ordered to carry a certain model or type pistol. Unless a private individual is quite dedicated to self defense, the larger, heavier weapons are going to be strictly a sometimes thing.

Your money, your choice.
Best regards,



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M_R - When you move to Atlanta Email me and I will take you to South River Gun Club for some shooting. I am near Atlanta. Also how do like your G17? How is accuracy? I am interested in one. Thanks.
 
Tom,

I should be there in December. My uncle lives there and is an avid shooter. He shoots SASS events. I can't wait to move there since there are no SASS events and no IDPA events here either. At Mississippi State U, we have IDPA, but not on the MS Gulf Coast where I'm from.

BTW - I'm either going to get the P229 or the G33. Which ever I come across first.

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Ben Lee
Student, Senior
Computer Science
Mississippi State University
Fear the man that owns only one rifle,
he likely knows how to use it.
- Anonymous
 
The Springfield V-10 is a great little gun - that can be had without a premium price tag.

I'm loving my Detonics - the original chopped .45...
 
the point about maturing as you have your permit longer is a valid one. i have carried off and on for over 20 years. here in N.C. we have had legal CCW for only about 5 years. so it has been only during that time that i have felt confident about carring everywhere i go (i avoid posted areas).
during this 5 year period i have gone from packing a full size S&W 4006 custom to a Ruger Speed Six 2.5", to an A75 Astra .40, to a Freedom Arms .22 Mag 5 shot revolver, to an AMT DAO Backup in .400 Cor@Bon.
i have carried in almost every conceivable holster type and fashion. i have the mandatory box of holsters and grips in my shop to prove it.
i have come to several realizations that have really worked for me. your milage may vary.
1. carry the thinest, smallest gun, in a major caliber, you can shoot good scores with. do not sacrifice the ability to hit the kill zone fast and consistant for comfort. for some of us this may mean a full size gun or a full size grip with the barrel/slide chopped. you can conceal ANY handgun dressed right but the smaller the gun the easier the job given the criteria above.
2. choose a gun that has a rust resistant metal or finish. i like stainless but that is my preference. industrial hard chromes and other finishes like NP3 or Robar may suit you better.
3. consider a grip that is wood, hard synthetic material, bone or ivory prefferably checkered, stippled or carved. sticky grips feel and shoot great but are a bear to conceal. plus the joy of owning a gun with fine grips is one of the finer points of shooting.
4. look for a holster that will hold the gun close to your body but at the same time isolates your weapon from the sweat and body salts that you produce. it is critical that the holster does not allow the grip to print when you bend over or wear light clothing.

for me these thoughts have evolved into the following rig. it meets all my requirements and i carry ti year round thru the 100+ humid N.C. summers and the cooler fall and winters.

K40 stainless Kahr with night sights. Harrt's recoil reducing guide rod. Wolff's extra power recoil spring. Pauo Ferra wood grips. Kramer vertical belt scabbard, horse hide. Kramer single backup mag pouch, horsehide. Uncle Mike's Mirage gun belt.


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Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the outcome of the vote.
Let he that hath no sword sell his garment and buy one. Luke 22-36
They all hold swords, being expert in war: every man hath his sword upon his thigh because of fear in the night. Song of Solomon 3-8
The man that can keep his head and aims carefully when the situation has gone bad and lead is flying usually wins the fight.
 
G33 I am partial to the G27, but of the list you provided I like the G33.
It is easy to conceal, effective caliber, and a reliable weapon. this all equals an effective ccw weapon.
 
G33 I am partial to the G27, but of the list you provided I like the G33.
It is easy to conceal, effective caliber, and a reliable weapon. this all equals an effective ccw weapon.
oops double click, sorry.

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